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My friends think I'm BU in asking them to change our restaurant plans for my DD

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EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 28/09/2013 10:31

Last week my 4 friends and I arranged to go out for dinner tonight. Not for anything special, just because we haven't see each other in ages and fancied a catch up.

I told them that i wouldn't be able to get a babysitter and they said that they expected and wanted me to bring 5yo dd along as they were missing her too.

Anyway, we emailed each other links to various local restaurants so we could check out prices and menus. We all agreed on an Italian place.

So i printed off the menu a few days ago and have been going over it with dd. I've let her pick her meal in advance and we've 'practiced' how to behave in the restaurant and I've shown her pictures of it online. We've also discussed things she can do while waiting for the food being served such as taking a colouring book or reading book. She's been to restaurants before and loves doing her little script of saying hello and ordering from the waiter/waitress. But because this is a new place, i wanted her to be prepared to prevent her getting too anxious.

Anyway, all was going well until this morning when i awoke to another group email. One of my friends have said that she was at an Italian restaurant last night with her parents and can't really face another Italian meal. Another friend chipped in with 'Yeah, i feel the same. TBH i'm not really into pizza and pasta anyway. How about a Chinese place?'

So then a dozen other emails followed containing various links for local Chinese places. By the time i'd managed to compose a polite email, everyone was pretty much set on a certain Chinese place.

I'd had a look on the website, and tbh there's nothing there that dd would eat. She doesn't like things with batter, not much of a meat eater, doesn't like spicy things, doesn't like chips, doesn't like rice, noodles or curries etc. And I'm not really keen on anything there either, but would have put up with it if dd wasn't involved too.

Anyway, i sent them a message explaining that i felt it was a bit short notice to be changing plans. DD was already prepared for the Italian place, had selected her meal, had been going on about it for days, had already seen all the pictures of the restaurant's interior. And that she wouldn't eat anything from there anyway.

They came back with the following responses:

"Feed her before she comes then just get her an ice cream or something while we're all eating."

My response to this: "But she was really looking forward to eating out with us, and tbh i don't think i can make ice cream last 2 hours."

"If she gets a bit antsy, we don't mind."

"It's not just a case of her getting 'antsy', it's the fact I'm going to be changing her plans with only a half day's notice, and all that preparation I'd done last week was for nothing. She will be incredibly anxious and upset for the whole meal."

"Bring her a toy to stop her getting bored."

"She can't play with toys alone. And she's already picked a colouring book to bring, but I don't think that will keep her calm and amused for 2 hours."

"Fine. We'll just go the Italian place."

This is then followed by a few 'pffffts' and eye roll smilies.

I feel horrid and guilty. Tbh i want to send them an email just saying that I'd rather they all went to their Chinese place and we could rearrange a group meal for another time. but if i do, it'll just be met with passive aggressive. "Don't be silly, we wouldn't dream of it' etc etc.

I actually don't want to go at all now. Or I'd rather just me and dd head out for a meal. if i do go, the whole atmosphere will be off and it will be like i dragged them all along. And when it comes to ordering, they will probably huff and puff about it because they've openly said they don't want to eat anything from there.

I genuinely don't know who's being unreasonable here. the fact I'm feeling so guilty about it makes me think that I'm the one in the wrong, but then again i feel guilty about everything. Blush

OP posts:
Dawndonnaagain · 28/09/2013 12:40

You have totally over thought this - it was supposed to be a bit of fun not a rigid meal catering first and foremost for your DD. Relax a bit.

Did you miss the bit about OP's dd being autistic?

NotYoMomma · 28/09/2013 12:41

I picked up on it but tbf you have to admit it was the biggest drip feed ever so others might not have.

YouTheCat · 28/09/2013 12:42

I don't see how a mention further down the first fucking page counts as a drip feed Confused . And how people can miss the second post and not realise.

It was pretty obvious from the OP that her dd has SN anyway.

Yes, going to a new place can take some serious planning and preparation. And expecting any child to sit for 2 hours, whilst others eat is just not practical.

YouTheCat · 28/09/2013 12:43

I really don't think 12 posts into a thread is a massive dripfeed. How odd.

ChasedByBees · 28/09/2013 12:43

I'm not really sure why you're getting so much aggression. And comments like, "it's not all about you and your DD" paraphrased but Hmm

You and your daughter were both invited. If your DD was in a wheelchair and someone changed the location on the day to somewhere with no wheelchair access with 'oh, just carry her up the stairs' you'd hae very different answers.

I actually think its massively selfish to change a meal planned at such late notice because you don't fancy it. The person who did that caused the situation. I'd bow out and go for an Italian with your DD.

YouHaveAGoodPoint · 28/09/2013 12:45

OP, I wouldn't worry about it too much. When you see your friends just apologise for wanting to stick to the original plan and explain the reasons why again. All with a cheery smile. I bet they won't mind and you will all have a great time.

No need to overthink this one.

HotCrossPun · 28/09/2013 12:46

You and your daughter were both invited. If your DD was in a wheelchair and someone changed the location on the day to somewhere with no wheelchair access with 'oh, just carry her up the stairs' you'd hae very different answers.

Tis a very good point.

fuckwittery · 28/09/2013 12:50

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CupOCoffee · 28/09/2013 12:56

Jesus! Such nastiness and aggression about a perceived drip feed. Some people need to get over themselves!

edam · 28/09/2013 13:03

Your friends really don't get it, do they? I think you need to explain to them. They may 'know' dd is autistic without having the faintest idea what that actually means, especially on a practical and emotional level.

OK, so you are all going to the Italian tonight, that's great. But I would tell them in advance that autism means x, y, and z and that dd needs careful preparation before going anywhere new, or she will get very distressed. Explain as much as you can - think about what someone who really doesn't know the first thing about autism needs to know.

I hope it all goes OK tonight...

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 28/09/2013 13:04

This thread is bizarre.

I get that sometimes you don't want to read ALL the responses but why can't you at least read ALL THE OP's messages before making your hasty judgments. And when called out on it, at least have the good grace to back down.

OP YANBU - your friend is BU. There is plenty of variety on Italian menus. I don't even like traditional Italian restaurant food (ie pizza, pasta etc) and I could find two different things to eat on any menu.

Everyone is entitled to a night out, even those who don't have baby sitters and have a child with SN - especially if the friends have specifically invited her.

*I think it is unfair of your friends to expect a young child to want to eat anything from a Chinese Restaurant so I understand your displeasure about that.

WTF? What do you think children in China eat?*

LOL, that's why the Chinese population is dwindling. DS (4) would much prefer a Chinese. Rice, noodles fortune cookies, prawn crackers, peking duck to play about with, lots of little dishes & chopsticks, SALT - really perfect (NT) kids food.

Thiscoukdbeme · 28/09/2013 13:06

I've been in an almost identical situation. DS has a severe nut allergy and there are some places that he just can't eat. It's so frustrating that people don't get it but I just had to say that it wouldn't be safe for him so we couldn't come. They did come round in the end but I still got the impression they thought I was just being awkward.
If it's not going to work for your dd you just have to tell them. They may not understand but they should take your word for it, if they're good friends.

FauxFox · 28/09/2013 13:07

I understand where you are coming from OP. DS has ASD and I have done similar 'preparing' him for bowling parties etc so a change can be a big problem. In that sense YANBU.

I am however struggling to see how you thought you would be able to 'catch up' with friends over an evening meal (stretching past DDs bedtime?) with a 5 y.o present ASD or not?! Aside from the DC getting bored/disruptive the topics and language I expect on such an evening with my friends are far from suitable for little ears! I would have invited them over for a takeaway and put DD to bed at her usual bedtime.

Thiscoukdbeme · 28/09/2013 13:10

Anyway, if you all agreed on Italian, it's surely them that are wanting to change the plans.

angeltulips · 28/09/2013 13:12

I don't really understand why you didn't just TELL your friends why it wasn't appropriate rather than getting into a bizarre back and forth about how she doesn't like ice cream etc etc. clearly they haven't grasped what being autistic means, so TELL THEM. They're your friends. If you don't explain how are they meant to know?

ChoudeBruxelles · 28/09/2013 13:14

Haven't read the whole thread but never heard of practising before you go to a restaurant before. Don't most just turn up, read the menu and pick what they want?

AmberLeaf · 28/09/2013 13:15

This is one of those times when you need to read the whole thread Grin

SilverApples · 28/09/2013 13:15
Grin

No, you haven't read the thread have you?
Have you heard of autism?
That's why we practise.

SilverApples · 28/09/2013 13:20

That's always one of the things that makes me snort with laughter on MN.
Don't bother to read anyfink, just swagger in wiv an opinion and your JPs hoiked.

EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 28/09/2013 13:20

Thanks all for your replies.

We had arranged the dinner for 5pm, and i said i would leave at 7pm to ensure dd was in bed for 8pm (her usual bedtime).

they are all working tomorrow or have early morning plans so said they'd probably be leaving around 7ish too. So it wasn't ever meant to be a girl's night out, just a casual catch up. And they wanted to see dd too which is why she was invited.

They know that i can hardly go anywhere without dd (unless she's at school, but i work or go to uni during these times) so said that they expected and wanted me to bring her to the dinner.

I've sent them a message. Just short and to the point, saying:

"Hi, I really feel bad making you all go to this italian when you don't want to. But unfortunately dd's asd means she just can't adjust to the idea of another new restaurant at such short notice. Me and dd are going to the Italian place tonight, but please enjoy your Chinese and hopefully we can catch up another time? I can cook and we can have a night in mine if you're free at some point?

Have a nice night. Smile "

OP posts:
Matzo · 28/09/2013 13:22

The question I want to ask your friend is...if a dinner was planned at an Italian restaurant a week ago - why go to an Italian place THE NIGHT BEFORE??

If it's dinner out and to 'catch up' then really, what is the problem with going to the restaurant as planned. You are +1 (with a 5yo). They aren't. IMO they are BU, not you.

AmberLeaf · 28/09/2013 13:22

I think that is a fair and gracious message.

Enjoy your italian!

lionheart · 28/09/2013 13:22

YANBU OP and perhaps the zinging emails will make your friends realise something about autism and what kind of prep. your daughter needs.

It's not fair to describe this a drip feed. The Op has already explained that she thought she'd mentioned the autism.

Thumbwitch · 28/09/2013 13:23

I think BillyBanter had it spot on - the person who had Italian last night is the one at fault here, not you!

And while you didn't specifically mention autism in your first post, it was clear to me that your DD had some level of SN (but then I have friends and relations with children with autism/ASD/other anxiety issues).

I do think that people should consider setting up their preferences to have the OP's posts highlighted throughout the thread so they can see updates really quickly, it would save a lot of the argybargy that goes on if the OP forgets to mention every single sodding thing in her first post.

Matzo · 28/09/2013 13:24

x-post.

That's a decent, honest reply OP.