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My friends think I'm BU in asking them to change our restaurant plans for my DD

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EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 28/09/2013 10:31

Last week my 4 friends and I arranged to go out for dinner tonight. Not for anything special, just because we haven't see each other in ages and fancied a catch up.

I told them that i wouldn't be able to get a babysitter and they said that they expected and wanted me to bring 5yo dd along as they were missing her too.

Anyway, we emailed each other links to various local restaurants so we could check out prices and menus. We all agreed on an Italian place.

So i printed off the menu a few days ago and have been going over it with dd. I've let her pick her meal in advance and we've 'practiced' how to behave in the restaurant and I've shown her pictures of it online. We've also discussed things she can do while waiting for the food being served such as taking a colouring book or reading book. She's been to restaurants before and loves doing her little script of saying hello and ordering from the waiter/waitress. But because this is a new place, i wanted her to be prepared to prevent her getting too anxious.

Anyway, all was going well until this morning when i awoke to another group email. One of my friends have said that she was at an Italian restaurant last night with her parents and can't really face another Italian meal. Another friend chipped in with 'Yeah, i feel the same. TBH i'm not really into pizza and pasta anyway. How about a Chinese place?'

So then a dozen other emails followed containing various links for local Chinese places. By the time i'd managed to compose a polite email, everyone was pretty much set on a certain Chinese place.

I'd had a look on the website, and tbh there's nothing there that dd would eat. She doesn't like things with batter, not much of a meat eater, doesn't like spicy things, doesn't like chips, doesn't like rice, noodles or curries etc. And I'm not really keen on anything there either, but would have put up with it if dd wasn't involved too.

Anyway, i sent them a message explaining that i felt it was a bit short notice to be changing plans. DD was already prepared for the Italian place, had selected her meal, had been going on about it for days, had already seen all the pictures of the restaurant's interior. And that she wouldn't eat anything from there anyway.

They came back with the following responses:

"Feed her before she comes then just get her an ice cream or something while we're all eating."

My response to this: "But she was really looking forward to eating out with us, and tbh i don't think i can make ice cream last 2 hours."

"If she gets a bit antsy, we don't mind."

"It's not just a case of her getting 'antsy', it's the fact I'm going to be changing her plans with only a half day's notice, and all that preparation I'd done last week was for nothing. She will be incredibly anxious and upset for the whole meal."

"Bring her a toy to stop her getting bored."

"She can't play with toys alone. And she's already picked a colouring book to bring, but I don't think that will keep her calm and amused for 2 hours."

"Fine. We'll just go the Italian place."

This is then followed by a few 'pffffts' and eye roll smilies.

I feel horrid and guilty. Tbh i want to send them an email just saying that I'd rather they all went to their Chinese place and we could rearrange a group meal for another time. but if i do, it'll just be met with passive aggressive. "Don't be silly, we wouldn't dream of it' etc etc.

I actually don't want to go at all now. Or I'd rather just me and dd head out for a meal. if i do go, the whole atmosphere will be off and it will be like i dragged them all along. And when it comes to ordering, they will probably huff and puff about it because they've openly said they don't want to eat anything from there.

I genuinely don't know who's being unreasonable here. the fact I'm feeling so guilty about it makes me think that I'm the one in the wrong, but then again i feel guilty about everything. Blush

OP posts:
Deflatedballoonbelly · 01/10/2013 13:31

Bollocks Blush wish that was in the OP!

ConfusedandDazed24 · 01/10/2013 13:33

Aside from anything else the OP clearly states that the dinner was supposed to be that night, as in Saturday, as in three days ago!!! I think it's a little bit late to be offering advice now!

TheBigJessie · 01/10/2013 13:38

Why does everyone assume the OP has anxiety?!

Come to that, does everyone assume children are born with helpful stickers saying ASD? Parents often battle on, recognising that there are most definitely issues, and developing strategies, while being told, "well s/he isn't disabled, stop helicoptering" in superior tones for a few years before they get official acknowledgement that there are issues.

MistressDeeCee · 01/10/2013 13:39

outtolunchagain yes, I did. The friends know the OP and have asked her to bring DD along so they dont sound unreasonable to me at all, althought the change of restaurant is inconsiderate in some ways. If DD has ASD does it make it impossible for them both to now go, due to change of venue? Will the change traumatise DD? How so? & Im just asking. Im supposing that if its the case that because daughter has ASD then this kind of change will impact negatively then its best they just dont go...

curlew · 01/10/2013 13:40

Is it worth trying to get this thread deleted, do you think? It can't be much fun for the OP. hope she's hidden it!

edam · 01/10/2013 13:41

Because they couldn't be bothered to read the damn thread, Jessie. Not even the first dozen posts. And they can't be bothered to actually think about what the opening post said and realise it suggests pretty clearly that the OP's daughter has more going on than the average child.

ConfusedandDazed24 · 01/10/2013 13:45

I agree curlew. Really hope she's not still reading.

nennypops · 01/10/2013 13:46

Mistress: just go and do a bit of research into autism. Though I think the answers to your questions are really very obvious.

SilverApples · 01/10/2013 13:47

' If DD has ASD does it make it impossible for them both to now go, due to change of venue? Will the change traumatise DD? How so? & Im just asking.'

MistressDC, read the thread and many of your questions will be answered.

TheBigJessie · 01/10/2013 13:48

edam posts are proving you right.

TheBigJessie · 01/10/2013 13:50

I hope MNHQ don't delete the thread before I add names to my Spreadsheet of Doom.

Thumbwitch · 01/10/2013 13:59

I don't think they will unless the OP asks for it to be deleted; there aren't enough deletions and awful posts on here for them to choose to delete it themselves, just an awful lot of ignorance and people who hadn't RTFT.

squoosh · 01/10/2013 14:02

I wouldn't stress too much about it OP, you sound lovely, your daughter sounds lovely and your friends also sound lovely. You're just in a very different position to them, one that may be hard for them to understand if they've only ever seen your DD when she's been prepped for their visits.

I can see why they might have been a bit peeved at your resistance to last minute changes but I can also see why these changes are a big deal to you and your DD.

Have everyone around to yours for dinner and just explain to them that you're not being fussy, you just are unable to spring changes on your daughter at the last minute. Being fully aware of the situation will make life easier for all of you.

TheBigJessie · 01/10/2013 15:00

This thread would have gone quite differently if the OP herself had been the only one to be inconvenienced by a venue change at 8 or so hours' notice.

But because she mentioned her daughter's very real difficulties, multitudes of MNers swarmed in to kick the 'precious parent'. Not sure what they are so desperate to disprove...

Imagine the reaction to an alternative post, like this.

"I've been looking forward to a dinner out since last week, when we agreed on a particular Italian.

This morning, after a hectic few hours, I thought I had a few minutes free, so I put the computer on to MN and check my emails.

Then I found out that one of my friends has said that she was at an Italian restaurant last night with her parents and can't really face another Italian meal. Another friend chipped in with 'Yeah, i feel the same. TBH i'm not really into pizza and pasta anyway. How about a Chinese place?'

So then a dozen other emails followed containing various links for local Chinese places. By the time i'd managed to compose a polite email, everyone was pretty much set on a certain Chinese place. No-one had so much as texted or phoned me in that time, either.

I don't really like Chinese food anyway, and I know this particular Chinese restaurant has shit wine.

Am I being unreasonable to be pissed off and think that re-arranging things at such short notice around someone not wanting to go to two Italian restaurants (why did she go to the one last night then, when we already had plans?) is Not On?"

It would have elicited lots of YANBUs.

pantsonbackwards · 01/10/2013 15:03

Its a bit weird isn't it. You would think people would be more understanding of the difficulties of a child with sn, but oh no!

ConfusedandDazed24 · 01/10/2013 15:06

Yeah to be fair TBJ, the changing of the restaurant thing would have annoyed me, even without the SN issue. I HATE it when people change plans last minute, especially for weak reasons.

Thumbwitch · 01/10/2013 15:14

Good post, Jessie. The situation as you've described it would have annoyed me too - even though I like Chinese - but I would have been wondering why we all had to change because one person had been daft enough to go to an Italian the night before, knowing that we had this meal out arranged already.

I have no idea why people feel the need to jump on the parent of a child with anxiety, with or without SN, and tell her it's her own fault the child is like that. Hmm

Threalamandaclarke · 01/10/2013 17:41

thebigjessie absolutely agree.
And well put.

EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 01/10/2013 17:41

hello again.

Thank you for the replies and advice. I believe i also have PMs which I've not got round to reading yet, sorry. I will do when i get chance later.

i just thought I'd clear things up.

I have already explained why I 'went to such lengths' to prepare dd for Saturday's meal. Such preparation calms her and help smooth out any worries or fears she has before the actual event. Is is because of her anxiety - not mine - that i have to be so organised about things like eating out. This preparation is woven into our daily routines, a simple line of 'Oh, let's practice what you'll say to the waiter on Saturday' while we're eating lunch at home, or 'Oh, come and have a look at this dd for a minute' when i want to show her the restaurant's website. It is not hours upon hours of constant restaurant talk.

Rehearsing scenarios make her feel better about them. Because of her anxiety and because of her ASD she dislikes spontaneity. It makes her upset. So it's best to prepare her for things as best i can. Such as what noises and smells there will be. If i didn't prepare her, she would be surprised on the night and hell might just break loose.

And i am slowly building up to getting her to appreciate that surprises in life are inevitable and things cannot always be planned for. But - as advised by her SLT - i am starting small. E.g. pretending we've run out milk when she ask for it, and getting her to settle on water instead. The restaurant thing is too big an event for her to just be thrown in to right now without adequate notice and prep.

Mistress, i had a good look at the Chinese place's menu and they don't offer things like omelettes (which dd doesn't like anyway) or typically English food. I highlighted in my OP which foods they serve, and dd doesn't like them. The fact the restaurant changed didn't make it impossible for me and dd to attend the new place, no. In that i could have physically lifted/carried her there. But she would likely have been crying/flapping/asking me millions of questions about it in a crazed panic. And she would have been very anxious and distressed the whole night.

And I am always calm when dealing with my daughter. But, alas, it takes more than a parent being 'calm' to stop a child being autistic.

OP posts:
SilverApples · 01/10/2013 17:45

'And i am slowly building up to getting her to appreciate that surprises in life are inevitable and things cannot always be planned for. But - as advised by her SLT - i am starting small. '

That's exactly what I did with DS, change one variable at first. Only one.
Building up strategies and tolerances over months and years and with increasing complexity and different challenges.
It worked very well for us, but you do need to stick to your path in the face of disbelief, accusations and unhelpful criticisms and suggestions.
OP, you sound as if you are on the way!

TheBigJessie · 01/10/2013 17:55

Judging by how well you've handled the many, many silly posts on this thread, I think that if simple parental calm did stop children being autistic, your daughter would be NT by now! Flowers

ConfusedandDazed24 · 01/10/2013 18:04

Oh OP, I feel so bad that you've felt like you had to come back and explain things AGAIN! You sound like you're doing a fab job, and your friends are very selfish to want to change, DD with ASD or not. Thanks

piratecat · 01/10/2013 18:08

have you heard back or been in touch with your friends.

jacks365 · 01/10/2013 18:11

Op can I just add that you sound like a wonderful parent Thanks

pantsonbackwards · 01/10/2013 18:22

You sound like you deal with it so well! Smile

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