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My friends think I'm BU in asking them to change our restaurant plans for my DD

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EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 28/09/2013 10:31

Last week my 4 friends and I arranged to go out for dinner tonight. Not for anything special, just because we haven't see each other in ages and fancied a catch up.

I told them that i wouldn't be able to get a babysitter and they said that they expected and wanted me to bring 5yo dd along as they were missing her too.

Anyway, we emailed each other links to various local restaurants so we could check out prices and menus. We all agreed on an Italian place.

So i printed off the menu a few days ago and have been going over it with dd. I've let her pick her meal in advance and we've 'practiced' how to behave in the restaurant and I've shown her pictures of it online. We've also discussed things she can do while waiting for the food being served such as taking a colouring book or reading book. She's been to restaurants before and loves doing her little script of saying hello and ordering from the waiter/waitress. But because this is a new place, i wanted her to be prepared to prevent her getting too anxious.

Anyway, all was going well until this morning when i awoke to another group email. One of my friends have said that she was at an Italian restaurant last night with her parents and can't really face another Italian meal. Another friend chipped in with 'Yeah, i feel the same. TBH i'm not really into pizza and pasta anyway. How about a Chinese place?'

So then a dozen other emails followed containing various links for local Chinese places. By the time i'd managed to compose a polite email, everyone was pretty much set on a certain Chinese place.

I'd had a look on the website, and tbh there's nothing there that dd would eat. She doesn't like things with batter, not much of a meat eater, doesn't like spicy things, doesn't like chips, doesn't like rice, noodles or curries etc. And I'm not really keen on anything there either, but would have put up with it if dd wasn't involved too.

Anyway, i sent them a message explaining that i felt it was a bit short notice to be changing plans. DD was already prepared for the Italian place, had selected her meal, had been going on about it for days, had already seen all the pictures of the restaurant's interior. And that she wouldn't eat anything from there anyway.

They came back with the following responses:

"Feed her before she comes then just get her an ice cream or something while we're all eating."

My response to this: "But she was really looking forward to eating out with us, and tbh i don't think i can make ice cream last 2 hours."

"If she gets a bit antsy, we don't mind."

"It's not just a case of her getting 'antsy', it's the fact I'm going to be changing her plans with only a half day's notice, and all that preparation I'd done last week was for nothing. She will be incredibly anxious and upset for the whole meal."

"Bring her a toy to stop her getting bored."

"She can't play with toys alone. And she's already picked a colouring book to bring, but I don't think that will keep her calm and amused for 2 hours."

"Fine. We'll just go the Italian place."

This is then followed by a few 'pffffts' and eye roll smilies.

I feel horrid and guilty. Tbh i want to send them an email just saying that I'd rather they all went to their Chinese place and we could rearrange a group meal for another time. but if i do, it'll just be met with passive aggressive. "Don't be silly, we wouldn't dream of it' etc etc.

I actually don't want to go at all now. Or I'd rather just me and dd head out for a meal. if i do go, the whole atmosphere will be off and it will be like i dragged them all along. And when it comes to ordering, they will probably huff and puff about it because they've openly said they don't want to eat anything from there.

I genuinely don't know who's being unreasonable here. the fact I'm feeling so guilty about it makes me think that I'm the one in the wrong, but then again i feel guilty about everything. Blush

OP posts:
BillyBanter · 29/09/2013 20:30

you can't ring 6 people at the same time.

AnaisHendricks · 29/09/2013 20:35

Panzee it's baffling isn't it? I would happily eat the same thing for lunch and dinner or for dinner several days in a row, and frequently do.

Italian food is, well, it's food isn't it? Lots to choose from. Pizza, pasta, meat, fish, seafood... Nobody would object to pizza one night and pasta the next at home.

nkf · 29/09/2013 20:39

I too am in the nobody sounds particularly unreasonable camp which is why I think AIBU was the wrong spot for it.

On another note - and this is me genuinely trying to help - I do think it matters what your friends know and understand about your daughter. They might be ignorant about how hard it can be for you, particularly if you normally seem to be managing well. Or they might know and not be particularly concerned to help. I can't tell from your posts so I don't know if they are not much cop as friends or just a bit unknowing and unthinking.

ProphetOfDoom · 29/09/2013 20:44

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BranchingOut · 29/09/2013 20:45

I completely understand the whole thing about needing to keep the plans the same for your DD's sake.

But, I think that you completely muddied the waters by sending your message:

"Hi, I really feel bad making you all go to this italian when you don't want to. But unfortunately dd's asd means she just can't adjust to the idea of another new restaurant at such short notice. Me and dd are going to the Italian place tonight, but please enjoy your Chinese and hopefully we can catch up another time? I can cook and we can have a night in mine if you're free at some point?

Because as far as they were concerned, they were already going to the Italian and now complete confusion has been thrown into the mix.

So don't be surprised if they are now a bit cheesed off with you for messing up the arrangements.

ProphetOfDoom · 29/09/2013 20:48

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nkf · 29/09/2013 20:52

How close are you to them?

fuckwittery · 29/09/2013 20:57

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Snazzyenjoyingsummer · 29/09/2013 20:57

If one of them doesn't even like pizza and pasta then why did they agree to go to the Italian in the first place? I actually think the friends are being v annoying here and I have an NT child. I would want to stick to plans, not keep chopping and changing.

pigletmania · 29/09/2013 20:58

Reading into it now, yes I think there was a lot of miscommunication. Op should have e aide saying. Hi can we stick to the original plans of going to th Italian restaurant, as dd is Autistic and cannot cope with this kind of change. Hope to see you tonight at Ginos r whatever it is. Op e mail was very subjective and not to the point

pigletmania · 29/09/2013 20:58

E mailed doh

edam · 29/09/2013 21:01

Your friends' behaviour is shitty. Glad you and dd had a nice time but no thanks to them, the miserable bunch.

AnaisHendricks · 29/09/2013 21:05

I've just realised, you're the OP who had your DD treated so horribly at the birthday party with separate food, no party bag or cake.

Given the level of intervention you had to make for this outing how was DD in the aftermath of all that messing around? That would have been more than enough for an NT child to cope with!

pigletmania · 29/09/2013 21:10

Oh no anaise I know the one, poor op dd. how are things with that mum op

Boobybeau · 29/09/2013 21:17

Sorry ive not read the whole thread but anyone saying 'leave dd at home because she has autism' is being ridiculously unfair to both the op and her dd. just because she has autism doesn't mean she can't join in, especially as she sounds like she has a great mum who knows how to prepare her so she doesn't feel stressed. And why should the op miss out because of others ignorance?

YANBU at all, you sound like a great mum with friends who obviously haven't a clue!

kiriwawa · 29/09/2013 21:24

How sad to see that the This Is My Child campaign has had zero impact on so many MNers Sad

Snazzyenjoyingsummer · 29/09/2013 21:31

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think at least two of the friends sound like complete flakes, in a way that makes the OP's DD's condition irrelevant.

Friend A, or 'Everyone Will Dance To My Tune': says she went for Italian last night so now she doesn't want another. If you're the sort of person who doesn't like the same thing two meals out running, why would you go for an Italian knowing you have another one coming up later in the week? Wouldn't you say 'Actually, I've already booked to go for an Italian meal later this week so can we do something different tonight? Either that or I'll give it a miss so I don't spoil the meal I've arranged'. But no, instead it's assumed that everyone else will change their plans to fit in with this person.

Friend B, or 'I Don't Know My Own Mind': agrees to go to an Italian restaurant, but then says later 'I don't really like Italian food'. Why would you agree to this in the first place?

OP, your DD, on the other hand, sounds really sweet. I know who I'd rather go out to eat with.

waltermittymissus · 29/09/2013 21:32

I would be inclined to think it was more a mix up than anything else, OP.

As a previous poster said, until your email they'd all assumed they were going to the Italian.

They're not intolerant of your dd or her needs usually, are they??

If not I'd say let this one blow over and maybe have them around next weekend.

If they are then they're no friends of yours and you're better off without them.

Perhaps a phone call will clear the air!

YouHaveAGoodPoint · 29/09/2013 21:35

I was about to type a reply but WalterMittyMissus said exactly what I would have said.

It was just poor communication all around. The OPs last email would have confused me too.

0utnumbered · 29/09/2013 21:38

I wouldn't of said 'leave her at home because she has autism'! I meant leave her at home because she is 5 years old and it sounds like an adults catch up, I wouldn't want to take my children to something like this - they don't have autism (well not that I know of as they are very young) but the eldest would want to run around, touch everything and generally be a pain, he's two though not five so maybe that's a really irrelevant point, the youngest is a little baby who still needs feeding, changing etc and would mean I would be occupied with them and not with catching up with my friends so technically not much point in going! Could you not take your daughter for a meal with you to the italian place and go out without her to the chinese?

BillyBanter · 29/09/2013 21:40

The OP's communication has been very unclear and contradictory. That doesn't make her friends shit.

We need to stick to the Italian.

I'm going to the Italian. You all enjoy the Chinese. Maybe see you at the Italian.

Moxiegirl · 29/09/2013 21:47

It does sound like a big mix up and cross wires - mainly started by a selfish bollocks who suddenly didn't want to eat Italian two nights in a row and is used to her friends dancing to her tune!
Bet if she had a dd the plans would have still revolved around her.
Glad dd had a nice time anyway Smile

EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 29/09/2013 21:54

Getting a babysitter is virtually impossible nowadays. My mum's really the only one willing to do it, but she's away with my dad most weekends on mini holidays or having nights out. It's my birthday next weekend, i asked her in August if she could have dd so i could have an evening with friends, but my mum said no because her diary was full up until December. Just to give you an idea of how busy she is.

My friend's sister babysat for me once, from 7pm-11pm. It cost an absolute fortune (£50 + £10 taxi fare) and the next day she text me saying she wouldn't be able to do it again. And dd was completely out of sorts for several days afterwards.

My friends are actually lovely. they always invite me to things so as not to 'leave me out'. And they understand that i can't go to most things, unless dd can come along too. Due to our day schedules, an evening meal is really the only time we get to catch up. And if i wasn't able to bring dd with me, I'd hardly see them.

More often than not, they come to mine for some dinner and a chat while dd sleeps. But last night was, i think, supposed to be a change of scenery.

Yes, they're aware dd has ASD. But no, they don't realise how anxious she gets. They only see her on good days, because i prepare dd for their visits each time, therefore dd is calm and welcoming when they arrive.

I've been friends with them all for over 10 years. I'd be completely on my own without them. They're actually a great group of people. But they're in their early 20's, have lots of freedom, little responsibilities, (all but one still lives with their parents, rent-free) and therefore likely didn't think swapping a restaurant arrangement would be a big deal. I can understand they get impatient with me and may think me a 'lot of work'. But they really do love me and dd to bits, and us them. They just see her as a quirky NT child, not one who has a disability. IMO, that's the things causing tension.

Anyway, i've gone into a ramble now. I think last night was a mixture of poor communication and them being a bit fed up of my 'demands'. What was supposed to be a fun, casual catch up was transformed (by me) into a serious operation. They were all out on the Friday night so they probably couldn't face something so uptight and planned the evening after, especially if they were feeling ill/hungover etc.

OP posts:
BillyBanter · 29/09/2013 22:00

It wasn't all your fault.

I rarely do big group nights out precisely because I get annoyed at all the indecision and faffing about before and during. No kid, NT or otherwise, needed to cause frustration for me.

YouTheCat · 29/09/2013 22:04

Ewe, I hope you can work something out for your birthday, even if it means having your friends round for a takeaway and wine.

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