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My friends think I'm BU in asking them to change our restaurant plans for my DD

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EweHaveGoatToBeKiddin · 28/09/2013 10:31

Last week my 4 friends and I arranged to go out for dinner tonight. Not for anything special, just because we haven't see each other in ages and fancied a catch up.

I told them that i wouldn't be able to get a babysitter and they said that they expected and wanted me to bring 5yo dd along as they were missing her too.

Anyway, we emailed each other links to various local restaurants so we could check out prices and menus. We all agreed on an Italian place.

So i printed off the menu a few days ago and have been going over it with dd. I've let her pick her meal in advance and we've 'practiced' how to behave in the restaurant and I've shown her pictures of it online. We've also discussed things she can do while waiting for the food being served such as taking a colouring book or reading book. She's been to restaurants before and loves doing her little script of saying hello and ordering from the waiter/waitress. But because this is a new place, i wanted her to be prepared to prevent her getting too anxious.

Anyway, all was going well until this morning when i awoke to another group email. One of my friends have said that she was at an Italian restaurant last night with her parents and can't really face another Italian meal. Another friend chipped in with 'Yeah, i feel the same. TBH i'm not really into pizza and pasta anyway. How about a Chinese place?'

So then a dozen other emails followed containing various links for local Chinese places. By the time i'd managed to compose a polite email, everyone was pretty much set on a certain Chinese place.

I'd had a look on the website, and tbh there's nothing there that dd would eat. She doesn't like things with batter, not much of a meat eater, doesn't like spicy things, doesn't like chips, doesn't like rice, noodles or curries etc. And I'm not really keen on anything there either, but would have put up with it if dd wasn't involved too.

Anyway, i sent them a message explaining that i felt it was a bit short notice to be changing plans. DD was already prepared for the Italian place, had selected her meal, had been going on about it for days, had already seen all the pictures of the restaurant's interior. And that she wouldn't eat anything from there anyway.

They came back with the following responses:

"Feed her before she comes then just get her an ice cream or something while we're all eating."

My response to this: "But she was really looking forward to eating out with us, and tbh i don't think i can make ice cream last 2 hours."

"If she gets a bit antsy, we don't mind."

"It's not just a case of her getting 'antsy', it's the fact I'm going to be changing her plans with only a half day's notice, and all that preparation I'd done last week was for nothing. She will be incredibly anxious and upset for the whole meal."

"Bring her a toy to stop her getting bored."

"She can't play with toys alone. And she's already picked a colouring book to bring, but I don't think that will keep her calm and amused for 2 hours."

"Fine. We'll just go the Italian place."

This is then followed by a few 'pffffts' and eye roll smilies.

I feel horrid and guilty. Tbh i want to send them an email just saying that I'd rather they all went to their Chinese place and we could rearrange a group meal for another time. but if i do, it'll just be met with passive aggressive. "Don't be silly, we wouldn't dream of it' etc etc.

I actually don't want to go at all now. Or I'd rather just me and dd head out for a meal. if i do go, the whole atmosphere will be off and it will be like i dragged them all along. And when it comes to ordering, they will probably huff and puff about it because they've openly said they don't want to eat anything from there.

I genuinely don't know who's being unreasonable here. the fact I'm feeling so guilty about it makes me think that I'm the one in the wrong, but then again i feel guilty about everything. Blush

OP posts:
pigletmania · 29/09/2013 19:23

Do your friends know tat your dd has autism and what it means. Abey tey just did not understand and you should have contacted them to explain and they might have been more understanding. Glad you had a lovely time though

MaryNesbitt · 29/09/2013 19:23

And i posted in this section because i wanted honest answers as to whether or not i was being unreasonable. I didn't want sympathy or anything, just opinions from a third party neutral to the whole situation

That's what I thought AIBU was all about when I first joined, how naive I was to post about my mother's funeral.
I know better now, but not everyone knows how horrible AIBU can be, and why would they? It's so unnecessary.

Hope you and your DD are ok OP, sorry to hear about your 'friends'.

TheBigJessie · 29/09/2013 19:28

I don't understand why it's automatically a child's parent being precious, whatever their diagnosed needs are or aren't, when the whole issue was caused by an apparently NT adult who can't cope with choosing food from a similar menu (no-one was saying she had to even have exactly the same meal!) two days running, and wanted an event reorganised around that.

I can cope with AS friends who have a thing about "varied meals" (have some and it was presumably brainwashed in by anxious parents, who foresaw a dreadful dietary future Grin), but it's pretty irritating in anyone else.

The OP is right that the extent of the anxiety should be respected, label or not. It can take years for an actual diagnosis to be given...

Threalamandaclarke · 29/09/2013 19:31

Thanks for updating. I'm glad you had a good time out with your dd.
Fwiw, apart from your particular issues I don't know many v young DCs who enjoy uk/ Chinese restaurant food. Italian was always the way to go. Yummy.
What did you have?
Pudding?
Grin

pigletmania · 29/09/2013 19:32

It's really Sad no one showed up, some friends they are

Threalamandaclarke · 29/09/2013 19:32

Totally agree TheBigJessie

Threalamandaclarke · 29/09/2013 19:33

Last time I went out for Chinese food I got food poisoning.
Shock

Tasmania · 29/09/2013 19:35

Why do so many people say that a Chinese restaurant and a child do not go hand-in-hand? What do Chinese kids eat?

My favourite food as a kid was Chinese food...

YouTheCat · 29/09/2013 19:38

My favourite food as a child was marmite sandwiches and smash with butter.

I had issues. Grin

mamapants · 29/09/2013 19:41

Not read whole thread but ignoring the autism aspect if I was going out for food with a group of friends and someone didn't like chinese food then we wouldn't go to a chinese. Don't see why your dd isn't afforded same consideration. Kids aren't less than.
With the autism aspect added to the mix they are definitely being unkind.

Threalamandaclarke · 29/09/2013 19:42

Well I can't speak for anyone else, tasmania but ime before I had my own DCs, my friends' little children tended not to enjoy the food. And I think their parents might have felt that it can often be a little exotic or laden with MSG (depending on venue) for very small DCs. So before I had my own (ds seems to like everything - luckily) when out with friends and their DCs we often went for Italian (also lovely and perhaps more close in flavours to what they were used to at home)
Anyway, the point about this situation was that italian had been agreed upon and op's dd wasn't going to enjoy anything from the Chinese menu.

AnaisHendricks · 29/09/2013 19:44

For a start, Chinese children probably don't eat the westernised version of their cuisine that is sold here.

My DS can eat at the local Chinese buffet. He has prawn toast, noodles, and melon. Carbs and fruit. Pretty much all he eats at home. I'd love him to try pizza Smile

Glad you had a nice evening OP. Your friends are rubbish.

AnaisHendricks · 29/09/2013 19:45

That was meant to say, "sorry your friends are rubbish"

Threalamandaclarke · 29/09/2013 19:45

Actually, strike that bit about my own ds. He still would prefer italian I think. If I have a Chinese these days it would more than likely be a takeaway and not as healthy as the food I would order in an italian.

Jaynebxl · 29/09/2013 19:46

Tasmania, probably best to read the whole thread. Chinese food in itself isn't a problem. Switching to Chinese food at the last minute when you've prepared an autistic child for Italian food is a problem.

candycoatedwaterdrops · 29/09/2013 19:50

I felt my heart tug when I read that your DD had a moment over your friends not turning up Sad but I'm glad she coped with the change in plans. She sounds like a lovely little girl and you sound like a lovely mum as well as a lovely person. You deserve better than those friends. Flowers That said, I'm glad you both had a good time and hope you will have more fun times to come with your precious DD.

fluffyraggies · 29/09/2013 19:51

So the basics of the actual email exchanges went like this:

Friends email: 'Yeah, i feel the same. TBH i'm not really into pizza and pasta anyway. How about a Chinese place?'

OP thoughts: By the time i'd managed to compose a polite email, everyone was pretty much set on a certain Chinese place.

OP to Friends: "Hi, I really feel bad making you all go to this italian when you don't want to ... Me and dd are going to the Italian place tonight, but please enjoy your Chinese and hopefully we can catch up another time? ...

Friends: "what are you talking about? I thought you had decided we were all going to the Italian?" and "So you're cancelling on us, yes?".

OP to Friends: "Me and dd are heading there just now. Maybe see you there?"

After OP had left home Friends emailed: "Look, i genuinely don't understand tonight's plans now. It's all gone a bit tits up. I don't want to head all the way to the restaurant if I'm going to be the only one." The other claimed to have not be feeling well and that she was sorry and would see us all soon.

No reply from OP as she was out.

OP when you look at the messages i think the not turning up thing resulted from a communications mix up tbh. I would forgive them for not turning up as i really think i'd be confused by all the above as well. Don't take it as them snubbing you.

Thanks
ZZZenagain · 29/09/2013 19:52

I agree the whole thing got totally mixed up.

fluffyraggies · 29/09/2013 19:54

P.S i have read the whole thread and here am just concentrating purely on the communications about who's going where, and perhaps why they didn't turn up at the Italian.

TheBigJessie · 29/09/2013 19:55

Amandaclarke

I've been trying to imagine doing the same thing to a group of my friends and/or family.

I think I'd get:

so why did you go for pizza last night then?

but the table has been booked
Come to think of it, if the OP's friends had booked it, I think it's pretty poor to cancel at such short notice.

who can't eat pizza twice?

but I've organised our discount vouchers

Etc followed by Hmm faces. No-one would think my behaviour was reasonable!

Panzee · 29/09/2013 19:59

Sorry to slightly derail, but the can't-have-Italian-twice-in-two-days friend reminded me. My husband is one of those people who can't eat the same thing for lunch and tea. I just don't get it. If you like something, why not have it again?

BillyBanter · 29/09/2013 20:13

I'm glad you and your daughter had a nice meal and she enjoyed her new experience.

If I was in this group my thoughts would go like this:

Yeah, night out sounds good.
Italian, yeah, whatever, fine.
Not Italian? Really?
Chinese then, ok, fine, whatever. I'll go with the crowd. (by this time I'd be fed up)
Oh. Back to the Italian, then, sigh.
Chinese? No Italian? Which? What? Am I meant to go to the Italian or have I just been disinvited from the Italian? Where is everyone else going?
Oh fuck it. Everyone's going to be sitting with clenched jaws in the huff all night whatever we do now. I'm staying in.

As I said before it all went a bit awry. the fault doesn't lie at any single person's feet.

Panzee · 29/09/2013 20:17

It's another reason why these things shouldn't be done via email.

juneybean · 29/09/2013 20:27

I don't understand why no one rang/text if they were unsure about plans?

AuntieMaggie · 29/09/2013 20:30

I don't get why you didn't call them instead of emailing or why you didn't tell them upfront that dd wouldn't be ok with the restaurant change because of her autism.... Perhaps do these things in future?