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to feel positively evangelical about electronic cigarettes?

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KatyTheCleaningLady · 27/09/2013 15:07

I was reading the AIBU thread about the husband vaping in the house with a newborn. I was struck by the passionate testimonials from former smokers, saying they couldn't have done it without e-cigs. I had tried a puff one of those things that look like a cigarette and was underwhelmed. But I didn't know about the more advanced set ups where you can fill them up with your flavour of choice. Anyway, I was intrigued. I smoked a pack a day for 25 years, and never quit more than a few months at a time, no matter which methods I tried.

nb84 encouraged me to give it a try and told me what to buy to get started.

I ordered a starter kit that night. It arrived the next day and I fell in love. I have three of them, now (one always charging, one near to hand, and one in my purse ready to go) and eight different flavours of the juice.

I don't want to smoke cigarettes any more. I like this better. It tastes really good. It feels good. And it doesn't stink. My hands, clothing, and breath don't reek anymore. I don't have to keep going outside. I don't have to feel like a smelly pariah. My husband can't smell it even when I'm sitting right next to him.

And I don't have to try and not think about the fact that my mother died of cancer after spending her last decade debilitated by emphysema.

And instead of paying £8 a day for fags, I can buy a week's worth of juice for £10. The hardware was less than £20 to get started and will require only £10 a month going forward. Of course, I can spend more. Many people geek out on it as a hobby because the gadgets are fun and constantly improving.

I'm not worried about putting on weight like people usually do when giving up the cancer sticks. In fact, I snack less. I no longer crave sweets. I would normally nibble all day, especially Haribo sweets. I don't want them anymore because I am tasting a bunch of sweet flavours all day long.

I'm so happy that I want to tell everyone - every smoker and everyone who loves a smoker - about it. Grin

OP posts:
Badvoc · 08/10/2013 16:18

Well done everyone x

awaywego1 · 08/10/2013 17:01

I am loving the vaping Grin I feel liberated! I've not had a cigarette since Saturday and feel happy that it is gone from my life. Yesterday I braved a real life shop as they had offers on-3 10ml liquids and 3 clearomisers for £20. Am loving the strawberry!
Feel very self conscious about vaping in public but at home and in the car it's brill.
Thanks for all the advice on this thread Smile

CatelynStark · 08/10/2013 17:32

Thanks, magimedi! You've done brilliantly! Good for you - I wish I'd got into vaping yonks ago but I guess better late than never :)

Well done to Katy for inspiring so many of us and to everyone who's managed to make such a massive lifestyle change Grin

KatyTheCleaningLady · 08/10/2013 17:48

I am so glad that the MEP vote went the way it did.

I think they're going to have a hard time with legal arguments (it's NOT medicine and it's NOT tobacco). That said, I am happy that there will be laws regarding sales to minors. I also don't like to see advertising on TV, etc. It shouldn't be glamourized.

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MistressDeeCee · 08/10/2013 17:54

Definetely an inspiring thread KatyTheCleaningLady. I started with e cigs 6 months ago. After reading this thread I switched to vaping - didnt feel I knew enough about vaping before so hadnt bothered to try. I now find that vaping works out much cheaper for me, and I get more of a 'hit' than from the more expensive e-cigs & cartridges. Wish Id got into vaping from the outset but, better late than never. Main thing is - no more cigarettes - no more cigarette smell in my clothes, hair, home - bext of all, no more coughing and feeling like a social pariah at times. Id tried to stop smoking loads of times over the years..its more a 'hand to mouth' habit with me so patches, gum etc never worked. This way I can still indulge my habit..and healthwise, I feel 100% better. I do wish I had a shop nearby tho, but Ive had no problems ordering from Paradise Vape thus far - mind you, I have a question for them & have been trying mobile all day today and its off, so...hmmmm...but I can see from this thread there are other places I can try just in case so Im not too fussed

WidowWadman · 08/10/2013 18:44

How do you feel about that - in the absence of regulations - they can be sold to children?

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 08/10/2013 19:01

There's plenty of regulation, and more in the pipeline, just not as medicines (which would have completely killed the industry and countless vapers back to smoking).

From the EU press release:

E-cigarettes should be regulated, but not be subject to the same rules as medicinal products unless they are presented as having curative or preventive properties. Those for which no such claims are made should contain no more than 30mg/ml of nicotine, should carry health warnings and should not be sold to anyone under 18 years old. Manufacturers and importers would also have to supply the competent authorities with a list of all the ingredients that they contain. Finally, e-cigarettes would be subject to the same advertising restrictions as tobacco products.

Does that set your mind at rest?

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 08/10/2013 19:02

driven countless vapers back to smoking

MistressDeeCee · 08/10/2013 19:13

Good vendors wouldnt sell to children. Bad ones would, I suppose. Hard to regulate age online too. There are shops near me that sell cigarettes in 'singles' tho, which I hate. I feel theyre geared towards teens..inc teens who hang around outside shops asking adults or older mates to buy them cigarettes. You cant win, really. Id say e cigs are the lesser evil tho

FrameyMcFrame · 08/10/2013 19:25

Nicotine itself is bad for you. It's implicated in heart disease and cancer.

Do yourselves a big favour and quit the drug nicotine.

It takes 3 days to get through the withdrawal symptoms but after that you are free from addiction and you will not look back.

The best part is you will have more self esteem.

magimedi · 08/10/2013 19:27

Plenty of PubeGardens

Thank you SO much for your post about clearomisers leaking!

See here

It has sorted out all my leaking & gurgling problems!! (Sounds like this should be in General Health!!)

MN is wonderful for information!

nbee84 · 08/10/2013 19:46

@ Framey

Nicotine is almost completely harmless in most people, and in many ways it is very much like caffeine.

It does not cause cancer but it has a few mildly negative effects in some people. It has some good effects, some bad effects, and some very bad effects, very much like caffeine, but overall, it's pretty safe in that it won't kill you. People might try to scare you by saying that nicotine is a natural pesticide, but so is caffeine. In the amounts they are taken, these drugs don't affect the human nervous system in such a way as to cause death, like they do in insects. The cardinal rule of toxicology is that the dose makes the poison. If you drink a glass of water in an hour, you will have no ill effects. If you drink a hundred glasses of water in an hour, you will probably die. One caffeine tablet might keep you awake. Twenty might land you in hospital. Fifty might kill you. Same applies for Tylenol, Pepsi and nicotine. 1 mg of nicotine is mostly harmless. 10 mg will make a person very sick. 100 mg will almost certainly kill.

THE BAD
Nicotine increases your heart rate by a few beats per minute, which does little more than give a slight energy boost, but in a small number of people with weak hearts it might be harmful, but on the same level as a cup of coffee might be harmful for them. There is some evidence that nicotine might also be slightly harmful to the circulatory system in other ways. It isn't very good for undeveloped brains, so it's particularly bad to smoke during pregnancy. In addition, short term effects of nicotine are unpredictable in people who are not used it and vary from person to person. These include a racing heart, dizziness, feeling faint, heaviness in the limbs and powerful tingling sensations and nausea. These can be both pleasant or quite unpleasant but they do not cause harm and subside as a person becomes tolerant. Some people experience pleasure instead of nausea and it is for them that nicotine is most addictive.

THE VERY BAD
Unlike caffeine, which is only slightly addictive, nicotine is extremely addictive when inhaled via smoking, and somewhat addictive, though much less so, when taken orally or via patches. The reason for this is that when it is inhaled, it gets to the brain very quickly and in high quantities, causing it to release significant amounts of dopamine, which the brain registers as pleasure, even as the novice smoker dizzily stumbles about feeling like they're going to throw up. When taken orally or via patches, the dose is usually much smaller and it reaches the brain far more gradually so the pleasure response is minimal, reducing addiction potential. That's why you don't see many people hooked on nicotine lozenges. Both caffeine and nicotine have very unpleasant withdrawal symptoms. For nicotine, the withdrawal can involve impulsiveness and inability to control one's temper and emotions, blurred vision, headache, crawling sensations, extreme appetite, depression, tiredness and, of course, severe craving. Suddenly stopping using large amounts of caffeine can cause tiredness and give you very severe headaches that last for days, but because caffeine does not stimulate the brain's reward circuity and effect a release of dopamine, it does not cause severe cravings like nicotine does and it makes it much easier to taper it gently and avoid withdrawal altogether.

THE GOOD
Nicotine has a few mild effects some people might consider to be positive. We all know smokers put on weight when they quit, and that's because nicotine and a few other chemicals in cigarette smoke kept them thinner than they otherwise would be. Nicotine forces the body to release stored glucose into the bloodstream, boosting energy and preventing the sugar from being converted into fat. This also cheats the body into thinking you've eaten something sweet, which reduces appetite and craving for sugary foods, though all the reasons why appetite is reduced are not fully understood. It also acts directly on fat cells, increasing lipolysis (the breakdown of fat), and it increases metabolism by as much as 6000 calories a month. Caffeine has some, but not all, of the same effects, and to a much lesser degree, so people don't generally put on much weight if they give up coffee, or they may even lose some, given that many coffees nowadays have as many calories as a hamburger. Caffeine is just a stimulant, but nicotine is different. Nicotine has both stimulant and depressant effects, so it can both stimulate and calm, depending on the situation. Much like caffeine, nicotine also improves mood, memory and concentration, and just like caffeine, it also protects the brain from certain types damage (reduction in Alzheimer's and Parkinson's risk), but again, nicotine's effects are significantly more powerful than that of caffeine.

So, nicotine is a lot like caffeine, with a few other effects, though it doesn't keep you awake quite as much. Both drugs are mostly harmless, but nicotine is far, far more addictive.

magimedi · 08/10/2013 19:50

nbee - Thank you for that post.

At the age of 58 I know I am addicted to nicotine & I have now found a way to satisfy that addiction that causes me far less harm than cigarettes.

I am very happy with the vaping solution.

It's the only case of "having your cake & eating it" that I'vwe ver come across in all my life.

MaggieMcGill · 08/10/2013 19:50

Plenty, thanks for the link. I've just spend the last two hours cleaning and swapping various bits around but they are all still leaking. Surely it's not possible for all five that I bought to be faulty? I must be missing something obvious but I can't see anything visibly wrong with any of them Confused However I have been in contact with the seller who has given me a full refund and I still have a few CE5 to keep me going.

Bombjack · 08/10/2013 20:02

Cracking post by nbee84. I do somewhat disagree on lozenges being less addictive than cigarettes though. I was hooked on them for years! Found them harder to come off than the cigs, because I could have them at my desk Grin.

One big argument against regulation is to look at the cost of gum/lozenges/patches. They're cheaper than cigs, but still a hefty price. And most people only quit them because they've sparked up again!

I personally want no regulation of vaping beyond the usual (and currently enforced) consumer safety regs. I don't see that it's necessary, and I don't want more government interference in what I decide to put in my body. That said, I think the regulation mentioned in PlentyOfPubeGardens post is sensible, and unobtrusive. Providing that's as far as it goes.

spicynaknik · 08/10/2013 21:19

Personally I think it's great when I see people vaping. I much prefer to see people vaping than smoking. And rather than thinking, as someone mentioned up thread "how weak, you couldn't give it up" I think good on you for stopping the evil weed.

I actually think that more visible vaping is the better for the anti-smoking lobby. It's normalising NOT smoking. And I also love how it looks kind of uncool. How can that be a bad thing?

Sure, more tests are necessary, but it is highly unlikely that it will be found that vaping is that bad. And changes can be made as necessary, the formula can be tweaked.

Cessation is all very well (I did the cold turkey method myself) but I wouldn't be all holier than thou about it. There is a lot of baggage attached to the addiction aspect of smoking because of the spectre of cancer and other major health issues and smokers often have repressed health fears which, when they give up, turn into the freedom from addiction thing - but really what they often want is freedom from the nagging fear of cancer. If it turns out that people are still addicted to a bit of nicotine, but aren't harming themselves or others, then what's the problem - just a moral objection? Seems flimsy to me.

I wish everyone I know who smoked vaped instead.

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ilovesooty · 08/10/2013 21:54

Yes, there is such a thing as a mini clearo. I use these:

www.safercigs.co.uk/Vision_Nano_clearomiser/p705283_8306966.aspx

ilovesooty · 08/10/2013 21:56

Or from Vape Escape: slightly cheaper actually as they're on special offer:

www.vapeescape.co.uk/Vaping-Spares/Clearomisers/Vision-Nano.html

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ilovesooty · 08/10/2013 22:06

Oh I see. You need an SD keyring or a mini ego kit then.

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