'veggies don't eat fish' friend fall out

[mrsfuzzy]

i'm a veggie i eat dairy produce, but no fish and meat nor have i done since i was a young child, i met a new friend three months ago and she asked about becoming a veggie which she was proud to tell everyone about but she still eats fish, i said that veggies didn't eat fish and that shell fish etc are 'banned' by the veggie society. i like her but she's got a bee in her bonnet and refuses to speak to me, we didn't argue about it about it at the time, i don't understand.

[redshifter]

I agree with "vix's" take on this.

[CuntyCuntastico123]

Bumperella I agree with you.

My step son is vegetarian because of animal welfare. He would love to have a steak and a bacon sandwich but refuses to because he loathes the idea of intensively reared meat.

But he is also skint and so buys battery eggs for the cheapest he can.

Knowing how chickens are treated in battery egg production I think it is quite odd that from a vegetarian perspective he is quite sanguine about eating eggs whose production will have caused an animal harm.

Not that I have said any of this to him. His choices. But it makes me feel it's a bit odd.

I also loathe the word veggie as opposed to vegetarian, for some un fathomable Eason.

[PrincessFlirtyPants]

For heavens sake just enjoy the food on the planet which is there for human consumption.I don't understand these veggie people who deprive themselves of the most gorgeous foods in the world of which we were given teeth to chew on.It is obvious we were born to eat meat and fish .Why would somebody want to deprive themselves of that beats me

^^ that is the most uneducated crap on this thread.

[xalyssx]

Quite often people use 'veggie' to mean pescetarian, vegetarian and vegan, she is a pescetarian

[StuntGirl]

And I think it's knobbish to knowingly calling yourself the wrong thing, but hey.

lentil I would assume ovo-vegetarian?

debs In theory yes I would. I actually have no issue with humans eating meat, my issue is with the horrific methods we use to keep and kill them. However, after 15 years not eating animal flesh I'm not sure I could make the transition.

[Jan49]

For heavens sake just enjoy the food on the planet which is there for human consumption.I don't understand these veggie people who deprive themselves of the most gorgeous foods in the world of which we were given teeth to chew on.It is obvious we were born to eat meat and fish .Why would somebody want to deprive themselves of that beats me

I've been vegetarian all my adult life, close to 30 years. Just because we can eat animals, doesn't mean we should. Why would you do something which causes involves suffering and cruelty to another creature? My personal reasons for being vegetarian were originally my own health and not wanting to be cruel to animals. But I also believe in being vegetarian because we can sustain more of our population on plants than if we feed the plants to animals bread for meat.

As for the confusion over vegetarians and fish, I sometimes go to restaurants that have a V symbol against items. Then see they have the V symbol against a fish item. So then I can't trust any items are to be vegetarian.

[ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee]

But fuckwittery it's exactly that kind of thing that means sometimes there isn't a single option for actual vegetarians when they eat out. There, on the menu, in place of an actual vegetarian dish, is a fish dish - because so many people say 'I'm vegetarian - oh OK I'll have the salmon'

Please would all of you doing this stop it??

People saying it's pedantic or down to wanting to seem 'superior' or whatever - no it's not. It's about clarity. It is embarassing to turn up to a function or meal at (new) friends and be served 'fish' because people think vegetarians eat fish...

'I don't eat meat' or 'I'm a pescatarian' have it covered, why make vegetarians lives more difficult by doing this??

[giraffescantdanceallnight]

She is stupid. She's a pescatarian.

[MariaLuna]

You are friends but argue about what you eat?!

You should both go and do a stint in a refugee camp....

[festered]

Vegetarian=doesn't eat flesh.
Vegan=doesn't eat any animal products
Pescetarian=doesn't eat any animals aside from fish and seafood.

There are blurry lines on things like animal products that are non-food, but from a dietary point of view, that's the basics of it.

She isn't a vegetarian. And she's being petty to fall out, she probably isn't speaking to you because she knows you're right.
She's a 'Fish and Chipocryte :p

[DoJo]

AnaisHendricks I agree completely - I eat out all the time and have yet to see a fish dish on a vegetarian menu, hear a vegetarian be offered fish or encounter any confusion over what vegetarianism is except for on these threads which rear their head about once a month. I sometimes think the issue has been discussed more on MN, with more bile, anger and ill-feeling, than anywhere else on the planet.

[festered]

Should have said 'bodies' rather than flesh-vegetarians don't eat things that come from an animal's body, either , gelatine etc.

[AnaisHendricks]

DoJo, thank you!

Amazing how cruel to their fellow humans some strict vegans or vegetarians can be and it's almost always those who fall on the continuum who are the objects of ridicule rather than a thread taking on meat-eaters. I've seen so many over the years.

I have never been able to stomach meat and most fish and as a child one of my "if I had three genie wishes" would have been to be able to eat everything on my plate without being sick and then not having to eat my own sick because it was good for me.

Some people should just be fucking grateful that they have a choice. I never did and never will. Eat what you like. Call yourself what you like but if you are going to take people to task have the courage of your convictions and stop picking on people with food issues or who might fall between the gaps and have a go a meat-eaters instead.

I've never seen one of these in six years.

[MikeOxard]

How the fuck did you manage to fall out over that?

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

It's not just animal cruelty. It's how best to make use of the limited resources on the planet. Remember that food chain/energy pyramid thing from school? If we all eat veggies from the base of the pyramid we don't waste resources raising things to eat higher up the pyramid/food chain...

[fascicle]

AnaisHendricks
Amazing how cruel to their fellow humans some strict vegans or vegetarians can be

Are you calling people cruel for objecting to non-vegetarians labelling themselves as vegetarians? I understand the main issue here is the confusion this causes. (I had an e-mail only the other day for an event offering jacket potato with tuno mayo as one of two vegetarian options.)

Eat what you like. Call yourself what you like but if you are going to take people to task have the courage of your convictions and stop picking on people with food issues or who might fall between the gaps and have a go a meat-eaters instead.

Unless meat eaters are labelling themselves as vegetarian, then they are not adding to the confusion discussed on this thread. Or are you suggesting that vegetarians should be criticising meat eaters for their meat eating choices?

[AnaisHendricks]

fascicle like DoJo, yes I have seen some horribly cruel comments directed to people like this over the years on here. I have also witnessed them when vulnerable people are on a strict budget and considering buying value eggs.

Your tuna mayo jacket potato is surprising. Not on.

I was just pointing out that there are many threads of this nature and hardly ever any, AIBU to think that people who eat meat are wankers? type discussions.

I see the word, "moron" has also been used in this relatively tame one. So disablist insults as well. Lovely.

[MostlyLovingLurchers]

People don't eat meat or dairy for all kinds of reasons, not necessarily ethical, so it doesn't mean they are necessarily hypocritical as to where they choose to draw their particular line in the sand. People label themselves as all sorts of things not necessarily borne out by their behaviour.

I'm far more annoyed at professional catering establishments being unable to work out that fish is not vegetarian, regardless of how particular individuals choose to label themselves. Not just fish - I've encountered restaurants with good vegetarian options, but then the accompanying veg comes with bacon in the cabbage, and vegetarian risotto made with chicken stock.

Our local Tescos also seem to think that pork sausages are vegetarian, at least they insist on keeping them in the vegetarian section (they are Free From sausages - I have pointed out that doesn't mean they are free from pork).

[AnaisHendricks]

Exactly. Fishandchipocrites, why? My reasons for not eating meat aren't ethical so as a pescatarian I object to being called a hypocrite.

[TheBigJessie]

I've been in a fair few takeaways that put "bean-curd with oyster sauce" under the vegetarian list.

In fact, the one down the road from me now does it!

[Mystuff]

Vegetarians who are given fish at dinner parties, why not just say "I don't eat meat or fish"?

No confusion then. Using the title "vegetarian" clearly causes confusion.

[AnaisHendricks]

Oyster sauce is made with mushrooms in the ones where I live. Makes sense, they're cheaper.