To think Katie Hopkins has officially lost the plot and special needs children do have genuine medical disorders

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I know she is just a gobby professional troll but this time she has gone way too far. So special needs don't exist and it is just crap parenting? Unbelievable

Kitty I addressed why the SN numbers have risen, I am not nobody. Improvements in diagnosis, new diagnostic labels such as AS that only came in here in the nineties (before the children with it were simply delayed or similar), children not simply being sent to institutions to vanish, survival rates from pregnancy issues through to life threatening diseases, there's also some discussion that better habilitation of people with some disorders mean a greater chance of spreading genes on, but that tends to be focussed on specific areas such as silicone valley.

Schools label with SEN, they can't diagnose SN.

If you think my opinion as someone with 5 years postgrad study in the field, a past career for a children's charity running parenting groups and support, 3 children with ASD is no more valid than that of someone with no training or specific knowledge whatsoever then I am concerned that you uninformable. And a great many people on this thread- jimjams, tabulah, thornrose, awomans and far too many others to scroll for- are as informed as I.

lilyy go lightly i love that term media whore, let me write that down!

My post should have said as a parent of a child with special needs not as a child with special needs!!!

Cant bear Katie Hopkins. But on this occasion for once I agree with just a little of what she's said. " for some children a lack of exercise, poor diet and absence of parental control is also an issue ". Yes, it is an issue and its normally met head on with an ADHD label.

That isnt to say that some children dont have ADHD. However, there are some parents who wont guide or discipline their children in any way whatsoever, who arent interested in their child's emotional and physical wellbeing. They accept the label and leave it to the school/educational authorities to sort it all out. Some children are diagnosed with lightning speed.

I dread to think how this impacts on services for children who really do have special needs.

I think Katie Hopkins is an idiot but yes, I agree with her re. why is everything these days a medical condition.

And they keep on a comin

Oh fuck it!!

Yes yes, I agree with Katie Hopkins too. Marvellous woman, wish I was her. Speaks for the people. Should be Prime Minister........

"lightening speed" now, wow, just wow!

So MistressDeeCee, everything she has uttered before has been rabid, ignorant, ill-informed guff which has previously made you disagree with her.
But on this one issue, you find yourself agreeing with her.

So . Rather than worry that you are stupidly agreeing with a thick media rabid loon and should perhaps inform yourself , you instead chose to think 'hmm. On this one occasion the idiot must have a point'

Which is actually more likely?

Yes thats right Pagwatch - I said on this occasion I agree with SOME of what she said. I am perfectly informed thank you, your patronising bs isnt required. Nor would I want to take advice from bores who call others stupid on forum - cant stand that word. Even my kids arent allowed to call people stupid.

Do grow up...as it says at top of Mumsnet, this isnt a fight club. Keyboard warriors get on my last nerve.

If you want to get a dx that the LA or NHS will accept and not just ignore then nope because

No children are dx in lightening speed,

Unless of course the lightening has about as much ompf as a three toed sloth in a drug induced coma

But out of interest, why do you think some children receive a dx so quickly?

How quick do you consider lightening speed to be?

Mistress you say you are "perfectly informed", can I ask where children are diagnosed at lightning speed?

Do you have direct experience of this?

Do you honestly think, MistressDeeCee, that paediatricians cannot tell the difference between poor parenting and a genuine medical condition? Really? Given you see them and SLT and Ed Psych's etc for months and sometimes years before a diagnosis is made.

Ok. Your kids arn't allowed to call people stupid but you are happy to suggest that parents seek an incorrect label for their child to excuse bad behaviour.
Interesting priorities.

I am not a keyboard warrior. I am posting on a thread which is discussing how thick Katie Hopkins is.

And I wonder how many medical degrees Gobby Hopkins has?

NONE

Fwiw the answer to 'how thick is Katie Hopkins?' is 'very'

School claim my nephew has ADHD. He does play up at times. But there's also a teacher in his class who makes him very nervous. They've submitted reports etc . Saw SEN on 5th August, who say of course he doesn't have ADHD, he has different learning needs varying towards creative.

School say they are right - SEN say they are wrong. This has been going on for over a year now. Anyway..

Why on earth are some people swearing, namecalling, insulting, and actually personalising on this thread? Hardly adds to debate does it? So..is there a gang out to get anyone who dares to disagree with their view? Is it a clique? Stress release? Fun?

Either way it just looks crazy..adult tantrums. Wow. Playground has nothing on this...

"So..is there a gang out to get anyone who dares to disagree with their view? Is it a clique? Stress release? Fun? Either way it just looks crazy..adult tantrums"

You nasty, goady, horrible piece of work. Shame on you.

I am perfectly informed thank you

No, no you are not. At all.

So your knowledge is limited to a yes be does not he dosnt arguement then?

Odd that you think that the situation your talking about equated to a fast dx, given that he has not been dx.

Because schools cannot dx ADHD or any other medical condition.

Absolutely agree with you Sparklysilversequins. my ds is on his way towards a dx but I haven't badgered for it and I have questioned my parenting until the early hours of the morning. the problems he was facing at school stemmed from a lack of acknowledgement of his very real Aspergers. he was crippled by the expectations of others and suffered extreme anxiety as a result. he is much happier and calmer now that he has been accepted for who he is. we don't make a big deal out of it or make excuses for him. he knows right from wrong.

Btw, the diagnosis process has been ongoing for almost a year so it is anything but quick. I appreciate why it takes so long, and why there are so many safeguards in place. People should not assume that diagnosis are just handed out.

KH is a knob.

Hahaha

You think knowing one child about whom questions have been raised makes you informed? And the diagnosis that you say is given out at lightening speed was actually not made at all in that case?

There is not a clique or a gang. It is not fun or stress release. It's just that some of us get irritated when , during the launch of the This Is My Child campaign ignorant arses spout shite and don't think it worth pending five minutes considering the feelings of those dealing everyday with an incredibly challenging situation.

I bet you haven't even looked at the campaign have you? It's the ones who need to read it and try and engage some simple understanding that won't. There are loads of them on here.

I didn't realises schools were able to diagnose behavioural issues now. Is that part of the NHs cuts?

I haven't any experience of asd/ADHD or any of the other issues raised here, however, I am intelligent enough to know that children aren't diagnosed on the say so of a teacher. Yes they may raise the initial flag for the experts to then assess, but would you put glasses on your child without seeing an optician because the teacher said they needed them? I don't think so.

I am in awe of the parents on here who do have to face the reality of these issues. I hope I am never in the position they are, but if I ever am I know there will be a support network here to advise, hand hold and listen with a sympathetic ear.

I agree that for some children the behaviours which suggest ADHD might well also be indicative of issues in a child's life. I can't remember where I read it but a researcher who looked into domestic violence found a disproportionate number of children with ADHD type behaviours and wondered if they were simply showing signs of post traumatic stress disorder.

Not everything has to have a label, I don't agree with KH because in most cases an experienced paediatrician can tell the difference. I am not saying that some children are not incorrectly labeled but in those cases the standard medications will make no difference. In any case most of the treatment for ADHD is not medication based but changing parenting tactics to support the child. I spend half my life supporting my son with tasks he finds difficult. Medication just helps him in school with focus and concentration for his academic stuff. It isn't necessary at home so on school holidays and at weekends I tend not to give it.

In the case of children with PTSD we need to be improving the mental health services for children and recognising that some are utterly traumatised about what they have experienced in life.....that might prevent those children beng labeled with ADHD or anything else which seems to fit. I DO think we are moving towards this already and paediatricians are very aware of the impact that domestic violence for,example, can have on a child's life and behaviour

Can someone tell me how to get perfectly informed, please? Mistress?

Becuase every time I think I am up to daye some bastard releases new research and then bang! I am behind again.

School can't diagnose, they don't have medical degrees and make mistakes becuase they don't have a rounded picture.

Paeds and a few other specialists can diagnose, their job is to get a rounded picture.

Here is how H was diagnosed- he was a difficult to diagnose case as he presents in an atypical way. We now know he shares a genetic profile, didn't then.

For three eyars he was followed by Paeds, OT, HV, SLT (with weekly input), PT, SENCO. After three years all of us got together in a room with a specialist program called 3Di, and anything types into that ahd to be discussed with alll in the room and agreed. At the end a printout said autism, it also said very high chance ADHD but they went with the autism.

He has grown into the autism diagnosis; it now sticks out a bloody mile.

But yeah they do it on the uick, right?