To think Katie Hopkins has officially lost the plot and special needs children do have genuine medical disorders

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www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/katie-hopkins/why-must-everything-be-a-medical-condition_b_3751096.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

I know she is just a gobby professional troll but this time she has gone way too far. So special needs don't exist and it is just crap parenting? Unbelievable

PIP is assessed differently so can't see there being a spike in fraud cases. Rather a rise in people who have had DLA for years at one rate who are assessed at a lower need for PIP. All that will happen is a decrease n their income......which might well be devastating for them.

No, not necessarily that. I imagine more along the lines of perhaps awarded for a bad back, which was very debilitating but since surgery etc has improved to the point where there are no longer any discernible care or mobility needs - in that kind of scenario the claimant would be at fault as it's their responsibility to notify of any changes in their care / mobility needs etc. I just think it's sad in the sense that it adds more fuel to peoples claims that it's handed out like water. I'm hopeful it'll mean support is actually directed to where it's really needed, but it's no doubt just a cost cutting exercise.

But that wouldn't be recorded as a fraud as they're not reassessing the DLA claim, they're just looking at a new one. It might be "x numberif people had the highest rate of DLA & y number have the highest pip' but they can't extract fraud figures from that.

^ what saintly said. The criteria could not be more different.

I don't understand why there is a DM-style fixation on cowboy DLA claims - as far as I know, these are usually made by adults with no history of difficulties since birth or early childhood? It would really not be very lucrative compared to dubious insurance claims, pulling sickies, charming people into doing things for you, having charges waived at dodgy restaurants and hotels and so on. These are things which my child would never be able to do.

These children deserve DLA and some more because they will always be at the receiving end of this kind of hatred and ignorance and giggles and looks of pity and disgust from (what sees) like a significant proportion of the population. Possibly at the mercy of sub standard 'professionals' and big pharma with agendas that aren't really about putting their welfare first. What kind of a life is that and who would have actively chosen it for their child?

I have to agree with KH which has never happened before, there seems to be lots of children with special educational needs compared to 30 years ago, it does seem in part an excuse if you have a naughty child. People seem to like labels now and it is in the schools interest to label childred as having special needs as they get money money from central government. Why have the number of children with special needs increased so much!! Seems very odd if it is really the case.

Fuck off.

sometimes you just HAVE to give out a fuck off. Please don't delete that MNHQ

kitty1976 - you are exactly the type of person the This Is My Child mumsnet campaign is aimed at. Why not have a read and learn something?

saintly you are so patient..and well named :)

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1298491/It-makes-blood-boil-normal-children-deemed-special-needs.html

This is an interesting article

'it is in the schools interest to label childred as having special needs as they get money money from central government'

Really? er - no they don't. They get an enormous bill of up to £10k per child, and then, and only then if the child's needs exceed this do the school get any extra money.

Since most children's needs do not make it past the £10k mark, most schools prefer to deny need and therefore deny the subsequent bill.

Schools cannot make a diagnosis either, and you, cannot make a well reasoned argument.

yes, quote the Daily Mail as evidence, their stuff is always so accurate

I'm just slightly saddened tbh fanjo. MN is running a great campaign and all over mumsnet talk there are stupid comments, whilst most of the comments on the campaign are from people who already have a child with SN. So erm don't need educating.

Meanwhile those that would benefit from understand the message being shared will continue to walk around with their heads inserted firmly up their backsides.

Slowly slowly.

It is very sad.

The fact they don't read the campaign and come on to make obviously goading posts makes me a bit suspicious though tbh

Ofsted report on children with special needs:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11287193

But no doubt ofsted is wrong!!

Kitty1976 Perhaps there are some teachers on here who could tell us if they have noticed an increase in SN numbers over the past few years in their classrooms. And they may be able to explain why this is.

I haven't read the entire thread but I'm more than sure that this will have already been explained upthread.

I really find it hard to engage with people who would come and try to argue with people dealing with children with SN, about things which will upset and offend them though.

My whole being just rejects them as arseholes

Schools do make a diagnosis read the ofsted article on the BBC
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11287193

i mean you just wouldn't..if you were a kind and decent person, surely

schools do not diagnose conditions kitty.

They may define someone as having special needs, that is not a diagnosis.

You're not going to listen to any of this though are you?

Schools get extra money in the USA for children who have ADHD.
Not sure that they do in the UK.