Would you leave your baby unattended in their buggy

[noblegiraffe]

...while you use the loo?

On another thread I mentioned not being able to get a buggy into a small cubicle and the suggestion was to leave baby outside.

Would I be overly precious in thinking 'No, I wouldn't do that'?

Ilove I never used a disabled toilet until I became disabled. What would you do if the disabled toilets were all locked and only accessed by a radar key? How would you cope with your 'need' then?

Perhaps I should just start using the disabled toilet whenever I need the loo as I am obviously an uncaring bastard who doesn't give a toss about anyone else.

It's vary rarely I do use the disabled loo, and I would never dream about using it in circumstances where it wasn't really necessary.

And for the person that commented on my step father - you are typical of those that speaks for others. He does not feel he has a need for the disabled loo and therefore doesn't use it. How do you know what is a big deal to him or not. I am talking from a point of knowledge as I know him. So don't make comments like that based on guesswork about him

I have already said earlier in this thread that I am happy to leave ds outside the loo and outside shops and outside our apartment whilst I dash upstairs and outside cafes asleep

I do feel that if a mother is worried about leaving their baby outside the loo then they should use the disabled toilet.

I understand that the able bodied mums with pushchairs are not "entitled" to use the disabled facilities but if it makes their life easier and alows them to go out with dodgy pelvic floors their new baby then that is a good thing. A couple of my friends had huge anxieties about taking their small babies out that something like nowhere to go for a wee whilst feeling the baby was safe would make them not want to go out at all.

If an able bodied person is sitting on the bus and a disabled person gets on and asks the able bodied person if they could stand to allow the disabled person to sit it would be kind for the able bodied person to stand, the disabled person is not entitled to the seat unless it is a priority seat but surely it is better to help those around us. If a person with a disability that made them need access to a toilet at very short notice was somewhere with only a standard free for all toilet would it be bad for the person with the disability to say to the people in the queue "excuse me would it be ok if I went next, it's a bit of an emergancy" they would have to right to go first but surely it is natural to want to help those around you.

The chance of a baby being taken from outside the toilet is very slim, for me it is an acceptable level of risk. For some people it is not an acceptable level of risk. The risk of someone with a disability that made their toilet trip time critical needing to use the toilet at the same time as the anxious mother is also in my opinion very slim, not as slim as the chance of baby abduction but still slim.

If we all take things that we are entitled to the world would be a selfish place, if no one ever gave up their seat for an elderly/disabled person and if no one let a toilet training toddler push to the frount of the toilet queue or let an anxious mum use the only toilet facilities that work for them then the world would be a sad place.

Littlemisswise. I would not be able to use them would I. That's pretty damn obvious. I would end up either uncomfortable, in pain, or shitting myself. Quite simple really.

Just like the person with disabilities has to because you are fucking selfish, Ilovemyself (perfect username!)

froken. Ho fucking ray. Along with Emilythornesbff you seem to be the voice of reason and compromise. Shame others only find compassion in the areas they think it is acceptable.

Ilovemyself I said he had the right to choose but that in his position no one would say he didn't have the right to use the disabled toilet. All I did was point out that an inability to walk any real distance without problems is a recognised need and that disabled toilets are situated with that need in mind. It is all part and parcel of the adaptations made.

Applauds spikeytree!

Yeah spikeytree , because its acceptable for people that are not disabled to shit themselves.

If there was a non disabled cubical large enough I would use it. But there isn't is there.

But Ilovemyself you are capable of using a regular toilet. You can do what others do and leave the buggy outside and keep the door open. There is no need for you to shit yourself you choose not to do that. A disabled person may not have that option.

Yes kingrollo. And I have used the ladies when it has been the only place with suitable baby changing facilities.

No... Use the disabled toilet !!!

Use the baby change cubicle

Bit you wouldtn shit yourself, you would find a solution just like parents have always done. As is aid when my elder two were little they were accesses by key it was never an option.

It seems to be a new thing that they have the baby change in them and so parents think they are entitled to use them for themselves.

Oddly enough parents managed to get by without using them before, evwn those with twins and a baby or several under four/five etc.

People with disabilities do not have any other choice, parents on the other hand have other options, you don't like the ones we gave offered, is leave children or ask someone to watch them. So think of another but doing use it as an excuse to use the disabled toilets.

I knew he would too KingRollo!

Jacks365. It is clear we are not going to agree (although at least you can be civil about it)

It just doesn't work for me. If someone does steal something I am not going to be able to get up, wipe my arse, and then take chase leaving the buggy and children behind.

If an inquisitive child comes along and pokes one of the kids or pushes the buggy away same situation.

I would have to be uncomfortable or shit myself. It's as simple as that.

My father was a double amputee in the 1980s and due to congestive heart failure was on high dose diuretics . There was one toilet for people with disabilities in the town we lived in (a town with a population of around 150,000 people). It was in the market complex which was locked up at 6pm every night. He really could not leave the house. He was a founder member of the local access group and he was pictured in the local paper talking about his need for accessible toilets. He found it excruciating to do so (proud military man) but he did it. He campaigned relentlessly, to the detriment of his health. I was seven when his campaign started, it is just one of the many things that made him such a wonderful man.

By his death in 2005 he was able to go out and actually live, rather than just exist in the house.

My mother managed to bring up five children without every needing to abuse facilities provided for people with disabled children. They didn't exist, you see.

So, you want facilities accessible for your buggy? Start a campaign. If a diabetic double amputee in congestive heart failure with five kids can, I'm sure you can too.

Yeamsourhfields. If the baby change wasn't the disabled toilet it would be ideal.