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To think my mum is/had an affair?

89 replies

Rubydoo80 · 16/08/2013 10:42

I am in shock.
My dad died 3 months ago. He had been ill for sometime an my mum and I cared for him. Up until Christmas last year he was reasonably fine so losing him this soon was a big shock.
In recent years my dad became defensive about some of my mums friends and openly said he didn't like some of them. In particular a couple of men.
One of the men, my mums old work friend, is married and a few years ago his wife had a nervous breakdown and was sectioned for a while. His poor wife kept saying that her husband was having an affair with my mum but it was dismissed as delusions as she was hallucinating at the time. Thankfully she's now recovered.
Anyway the past couple of years I suspected my mum may be upto something as she'd have short periods of being missing.
Like she'd tell my dad she was coming to mine but not turn up for an hour. I only live 10 mins away.
Or she would leave my house saying she was going home but if I called her house she wouldn't be in for ages. When I asked her it was always an excuse like she had to get petrol or something but still didn't really explain the amount of time she spent.
She would even tell me she had been round a female friends house but I dad asked to tell him she was with me.
One day after much suspicion I asked her outright if she was having an affair and she was very angry I'd even asked and denied it.
I didn't think any more of it.
My dad passed away and this man friend of my mums came to the funeral with his wife.
Since then I have come round to my parents house to find him here. Mum says he pops over on his lunch break sometimes to make sure she's ok, which I thought was nice. It's not something he's ever done before though.
Anyway today is her birthday and I knew she would be upset without my dad. We are having a family party for her. She's at work right now and I've just been organising things and went to where she usually keeps the table cloths. In the drawer was a birthday card from this man that's says "to my sexy lady lots of love always your sexy man xxx".
All her other cards are out this one was hidden.

What do I do or say to her? I don't want to upset her but equally I feel like she's betrayed me and my dad.

Please help!

OP posts:
RedHelenB · 16/08/2013 12:46

but the way you wrote it it sounds like she had to account for her whereabouts all the time, so she may have got you to lie for some other reason than having an affair. my dad lied to my mum all the time cos she was totally unreasonable about a lot of things, nothing to do with an affair!

friday16 · 16/08/2013 13:02

I've worked with two people whose spouses were terminally ill (one male, one female).

Both had affairs. Whether those affairs were consummated is none of my business, but they were certainly emotionally intense to a point which, in other circumstances, would have been marriage-threatening. In the case where I knew both parties to the marriage, I know for a fact that the sick husband knew and tacitly approved. In the other case I strongly suspect that was the case.

In each case, the emotional pressure of seeing their spouse die was insurmountable. They couldn't talk about it to their children, because they were watching a parent die or, in one case, screeching down the phone from Australia that the healthy spouse wasn't upset enough, when in fact she was maintaining her composure to actually deal with the reality rather than emoting from 6000 miles away.

They couldn't talk about it to their extended family because they too were too emotionally involved.

One of them told me that their experience from support groups and campaigning organisations was that virtually everyone caring for a spouse with this particular, aggressive and essentially untreatable, cancer had formed a relationship outside the marriage and that was what allowed them to continue caring.

It might be self-serving. They might, of course, be using the 24 x 7 grind of having a dying spouse as a cover for the affair that they always wanted, although that does seem unlikely. But for children to then, afterwards, start on about loyalty seems unnecessarily judgemental. Watching a spouse die must be one of the hardest things someone can do. Expecting them to be saints at the same time seems harsh.

lunar1 · 16/08/2013 13:09

I would be really shocked if virtually every spouse of someone with one type of cancer was having an affair. Can't say it entered my head to cheat when my first husband was sick, or anyone else I knew in real life. The only person I know who had an affair in these circumstances had already started it before diagnosis.

Rubydoo80 · 16/08/2013 13:16

Thank you all for your input.
friday I in no way expect my mum to be a saint.
I know nobody is perfect myself included. And although I have never had an affair myself I realise in times of need we turn to people for support in all ways.
Yes my dad had been ill with cancer and it was very stressful for my mum. But the signs were there before he was sick.

Here's a possible scenario:
There was no affair and its all innocent.
This guy is trying to be a good friend to my mum.
The times she asked me to lie was merely because she wanted some peace and quiet and didn't want the hassle of having to explain to my dad.
This guys wife was suffering paranoid delusions and wrongly thought they were having an affair.
This birthday card was sent in a jokey way but mum hid it because it might be seen as inappropriate given that my dad has not long been gone.

Could I be jumping to the wrong conclusion?

OP posts:
Rubydoo80 · 16/08/2013 13:18

And I agree with what lunar said. When my dad was ill my mum was so focused on rallying round for him she would not have had the time for an affair.

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thebody · 16/08/2013 13:23

so sorry for the loss of your dad op.

please please don't do anything silly like accusing your mom or 'telling' his wife. you have no proof at all of any affair.

if there is one thing I have learned in life it's you never ever know what goes on in another persons marriage.

your mum might have been meeting this man for emotional support as a friend and just didn't want to tell you.

stay close to your mum, be there for her and remember yes you are their daughter but you have no right to pry into their relationship with each other.

the card was hidden. you shouldn't have read it.

fallon8 · 16/08/2013 13:35

She is not only your mum,she is also a person in her own right..no one knows what goes on in a marriage,only the couple involved..it is nothing to do with you,put the card back and just on with the party

phantomnamechanger · 16/08/2013 13:36

I would feel deeply shocked and betrayed in your shoes OP, but have no advice on how to handle it, except I do think telling the OM wife is not your job given how vulnerable she already is. It's not your place to hurt her just because you are hurt and in shock.

phantomnamechanger · 16/08/2013 13:39

I personally do not think it is all innocent or he is just supporting her "to my sexy lady from your sexy man" is VERY intimate and loaded.

thebody · 16/08/2013 13:51

still her mums business not ops.

Loa · 16/08/2013 13:55

Yes but the guy could be a serial adulterer who has always fancied OP mother and now thinks he has a chance and OP mother could just be dealing with it or possibly enjoying the attention for the first time as she is feeling vulnerable. It's not proof of an affair or that OP mother has/is doing anything with this guy.

As far as the card goes the OP can either try and forget about it or apologize to her Mum after the party for seeing it but ask her what is going on.

Loa · 16/08/2013 13:56

Obviously her mother might reply it's none of her business.

Rubydoo80 · 16/08/2013 14:07

I wouldn't do anything silly. I don't think I could tell his wife what I found either. Even though if it were my husband I'd want to know myself, I just don't know her that well plus maybe she knows about her husband and let's it go on I just don't know.
I want to speak to my mum but will wait a while and when I do it will be an adult conversation, I will be supportive and loving but at the same time tell her I feel uncomfortable him being around me and think if anything is currently going on that its very unfair on his wife.

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YouJustMetTheAlphaParent · 16/08/2013 14:13

Does sound suspicious, and I can see why you feel betrayed.

How do you know the card is from that particular man though?

Sorry about your dad. Flowers

Rubydoo80 · 16/08/2013 14:23

Thanks alpha.
Well I am 99% sure it's from him although there is no name in it.
I went round my parents house earlier than expected the other day. I have a key but was locked out. When my mum answered the door she came from upstairs.
The man we are talking about was in the front room. The atmosphere generally felt a bit odd.
He came round to wish my mum a happy birthday but I noticed there was no card from him put up with all the others.
It's just an intelligent guess. (Or a stupid one!)

OP posts:
Rubydoo80 · 17/08/2013 06:08

Couldn't sleep last night, had a horrible dream about it Sad The party is today so I will try not to think about it.
Maybe I should not mention it at all and see what happens.

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themaltesefalcon · 17/08/2013 06:19

Poor thing.

Sorry about

Eastpoint · 17/08/2013 06:29

I guess you have to consider what the long term consequences of asking your mother are. Can you just leave it for now on the basis that she is an adult & when she is ready to go public she will?

Good luck today.

ComtesseDeFrouFrou · 17/08/2013 06:39

I'm sorry this has all come as such a shock to you. But I don't think your mum has asked you to lie - you didn't know where she was when she said she was coming to see you. If you did then that would be asking you to lie for her. And since she denied the affair (however obvious you think it is) she hasn't lied to you so far as you know. I appreciate this all seems like semantics, but its important.

As to whether its any of your business, I agree with this who say its not. She's not answerable to you - would you expect her to get involved if you we're having an affair (no matter how unlikely you consider that)? She's an adult who can make her own decisions - even bad ones - and there's very little you can do about.

I know this feels hurtful and like she's doing it to you, but she's really not.

LadyMilfordHaven · 17/08/2013 06:48

Why not wind your neck in? You sound like you are far too involved in what's nothing to do with you.

LadyMilfordHaven · 17/08/2013 06:48

Plus. Try knocking on people's doors.

daisychain01 · 17/08/2013 06:52

Ruby you clearly care very much about your mum and I am sure there must be a whole load of conflicting emotions you are having to deal with. The first year following bereavement is intense, confusing and painful. Both you and your mum are each having to come to terms with the loss of a man with whom you each had a very different and unique relationship. From your mum's perspective, after 30 years of marriage, it is a massive gap losing her life partner and the loneliness hits hard during the early days, so having the hand of friendship extended by her friend probably feels like a lifeline to her.

It must be hard for you to reserve judgement over the nature of that relationship, but you will be doing her a big favour if you can just accept that your mum has to get through these times however she can to survive. If you can give her whatever support you can, by just being there for her and accepting whatever choices she makes are her's to make as an adult, you will be the best friend she can wish for.

I say this from experience having lost my DH 7 years ago. When I think back to my frame of mind at the time, what I needed was for people to cut me some slack and "be gentle with me", because the emotions involved with losing a life partner (especially at a relatively young age, when you still have a life ahead of you) are in turmoil and there are days when I did not know whether I was on my base or my apex! Things will settle down and with start to make sense again, rest assured of that.

In the meantime, try to give lots of practical support, and best to distance yourself from the stress of worrying about circumstances like greetings cards with cryptic messages on, that dont really matter in the grand scheme of things. Look after yourself and your mum!

MusicalEndorphins · 17/08/2013 06:54

Please don't bring this up on your mum's birthday.
Your mum may or may not be involved with this man, but if she wants to tell you, she will.
I do understand how you must be feeling, but today is not the day.
If you find out it is true, what then?

In the meantime, probably best not to accept this man building you things or accepting anything from him at all.

BeauNatt · 17/08/2013 07:03

OP - I read your posts and agree with your alternative scenario. You might be reading too much into it as your grief is still raw. Your mum likely wanted some time to herself/a break from caring when she took an hour to get to your house those times (if she was having an affair surely she'd want more time than that with the bloke?!). Wait a while till the dust settles, don't jump to conclusions now.

daisychain01 · 17/08/2013 07:03

Ladymilford, it isn't helpful or kind to a person who is herself going through bereavement to "wind your neck in". Ruby has posted some very articulate and measured comments about her conflicting emotions and she needs help to make sense of those emotions not a lambasting.