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AIBU?

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To think in the real world it's become openly acceptable to vilify and abuse benefit claimants?

141 replies

Pantone363 · 04/08/2013 19:46

Years ago people might of gossiped about people on benefits, or moaned to their partners etc. but there wasn't this acceptable open hostility towards them.

In the space of a week I've heard people openly call them "breeders" (ie single mothers), it seems ok to expect any benefit claimant to explain themselves to anyone who feels they are funding their lifestyle (taxpayers).

It really seems the tide is turning towards an open contempt for anyone claiming benefits whilst not working.

I can't think of any other group of people it's ok to shame and gossip about in public!

So AIBU?

OP posts:
grumpyoldbat · 05/08/2013 11:36

That's just not TRUE happy. I don't feel entitled at all, unless you count wanting to be treated as a human being. Claiming benefits for us is humiliating, a source of shame and guilt. Unfortunately hard work takes time to pay off and we're not likely to be fully off benefits for at least a couple of years.

I am very grateful for the help we've had. When we started claiming we were homeless and I was unwell with malnutrition.

musicismylife · 05/08/2013 11:43

"We are all too quick to judge these days, and too quick to throw stones. Many of us are also one month's pay away from being benefit claimants"

you took the words out of my mouth.

farrowandbawl · 05/08/2013 12:16

"We are all too quick to judge these days, and too quick to throw stones. Many of us are also one month's pay away from being benefit claimants"

^ This

One car accident, one idiot on the phone in their car, one illness, one punch, one fall, one affair, one flood, one dodgy tradesman or one job loss is all it can take before you find yourself without a pot to piss in and it can happen overnight.

No-one can appreciate just how quickly life can change where every single one of your plans, hopes and dreams are wiped out in the blink of an eye until it happens. When it does happen, the benefits system we have, although flawed, it's by no exaggeration, a life saver.

No one with an ounce of self respect wants to be claiming any sort of benefit, working benefit or not, we'd all rather be earning enough to support ourselves and our families. This is where the problem comes in. Most people are not earning enough - this is not the fault of the claimants, the workers, the middle class, the disabled or even the scroungers, this is solely the fault of the governments, their tax breaks for the rich and big business. They look after themselves and their mates with the thinking that if the rich get richer then everyone benefits, the trickle down effect. Only, those at the bottom, ie, US, knows that's not the case at all but feel as though there is nothing we can do about it - we are too busy worrying about how to pay the next energy bill, praying to anyone that will listen that the car doesn't need anything replacing and will pass the MOT and fighting amongst ourselves.

Every now and again the Gov or those with some influence will throw us a crumb to give us the illusion that they care and are listening to us and our concerns (internet porn, chilcare credits anyone?) and not actually solve these problems at all (no idea about the internet porn but the chilcare can be solved with guess what? HIGHER WAGES).

As long as we keep fighting amongst ourselves, which I think is more to do with the fact that we feel almost powerless to fight those who are actually causing the problem so we fight those who are more on our level as it were, then nothing will be changed. Ever. Just as they want, keep the bottom fighting and too busy to do anything else. What's worse, there is supposed to be power in numbers, as the elctorate, we should be able to do something, but no-one does or even knows what to do and so the circle continues.

farrowandbawl · 05/08/2013 12:20

Chillcare = Childcare.

I've read through that psot 3 times before pressing send as well. Can't believe I've done that twice with the same word.

farrowandbawl · 05/08/2013 12:20

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fuck it.

LunaticFringe · 05/08/2013 12:37

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JakeBullet · 05/08/2013 12:43

Sweeping generalisations HapoyMummy, MUCH.

Get an understanding of how things work before posting your vile and stupid views maybe!

MOST benefit claimants are actually in low paid work and their benefits top up appalling wages. Employers say they cannot afford to pay higher wages so the Govt tops it up.

I don't doubt SOME play the system but most of us don't.

Then again you have been to.d this again and again in the last. You claim to be intelligent but personally I think you are rose tinted and thick. Just my humble opinion.....YOU are the sort of person the OP is talking about. Be proud of yourself .....personally I would feel ashamed that I couldn't see beyond the headlines.

Arnie123 · 05/08/2013 13:17

My in laws are 3rd generation welfare claimants. Only one of them works and he is estranged from the rest of them. I recently set up 2 small businesses and before I had the chance to offer them jobs they came to me and said they had no intention of working for me. My s I l has 9 kids 2 of which were born in jail. It is scum like this that give genuine claimants a bad name.

SilverOldie · 05/08/2013 13:28

I doubt anyone would say anything about people who are struggling and looking for work. However, there are certainly a percentage who have no intention of working and expect to receive benefits paid for by taxpayers, some of whom themselves are finding life tough at the moment.

As for pensioners (I am one) most have paid for their pensions by working all their lives, so I don't feel guilty receiving a pension. I worked for over 40 years non stop and so believe I have contributed enough.

dreamingofsun · 05/08/2013 13:35

jake - you say sweeping generalisations, but i can think of 2 mums off the top of my head who do this - and i live in a relatively affluent area. both of them reject any requests for longer hours from their employers.

i have an IL with a bad back claiming disability allowance (doesn't stop him doing numerous physical things though) and when i didn't want to return to work after maternity they suggested i signed off on disability instead....

farrowandbawl · 05/08/2013 13:46

Sign off on disability?

How? For having a baby?

dreamingofsun · 05/08/2013 14:04

farrow - they suggested developing a fake bad back so that i could claim disability allowance instead of going to work.

farrowandbawl · 05/08/2013 14:07

They are deluded if they think you would have got away with that. You would have falled at the first hurdle.

Another thing about benefit bashers ios that those who do it - dont realise all the hoops you have to jump through. They think it's easy, it's not.

farrowandbawl · 05/08/2013 14:08

falled?

fallen, sorry, ds was in my ear banging on about something.

LuisSuarezTeeth · 05/08/2013 14:09

We will all have different experiences. Some people don't know anyone on benefits. Most people I know are working and claiming tax credits. I have never met a single person who didn't want to work.

farrowandbawl · 05/08/2013 14:10

*is

dreamingofsun · 05/08/2013 14:12

farrow - their father seems to have done it successfully for years. But i guess without knowing the ins and outs of things that might just be inaccurate info from other ILs.

dreamingofsun · 05/08/2013 14:12

luis - i don't want to work, i never have. i loved being on maternity leave.

Alisvolatpropiis · 05/08/2013 14:15

This isn't a new attitude. Nor is it new that people are quite open about it.

Unpleasant yes, new no.

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JakeBullet · 05/08/2013 14:27

dreamng if you think your FIL is defrauding the State then report him.

Okay so you know two Mums who refuse longer hours...any idea why?

Because if you don't know exactly why then it is wrong to just assume they are being lazy. Or deciding it isn't worth it?

What I DO find utterly bizarre is that I worked full time for nearly 30 years, in that time it didn't occur to me to question why we paid benefits or to envy people who had to claim them. And it IS envy....people think the loves of those in benefits are rosier....otherwise they wouldn't judge and comment,

All I will say to those people is come and live my life for a month and you will soon realise it isn't a bed of roses. Financially and in every other way I as FAR FAR better off in work, even when I changed fom full to part time.

dreamingofsun · 05/08/2013 14:35

jake - not FIL. I think the person has retired now.

Mums refuse longer hours because they don't want to work at all and at 16 hours I think it qualifies them for tax credits? So this is what they work, but refuse any extra hours as it affects their benefits.

LapsedPacifist · 05/08/2013 14:50

According to the Reed job website, there have been 9 admin jobs advertised in our area in the past week, 3 of which are temporary. Average full time salaries range from £13-18,000 pa or £7-8.50 per hour for the temp jobs. These jobs have received an average of 24 applications each.

2 of the vacancies pay up to £23,000 but they require very specific skills and experience and prospective candidates are advised not to bother applying unless they meet these requirements in full. These jobs have both received 5 applications.

Bearing in mind that these jobs are almost certainly being advertised elsewhere and receiving applications from other sources, an analysis of just ONE online recruitment agencys' publically available statistics indicates that far far more than 5 people are applying for each job vacancy.

Unskilled jobs round here usually receive 100+ applications within 2 days of advertisement.

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