Aibu to think that sueing the church over gay marriage is not acceptable?

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Here:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383686/Millionaire-gay-fathers-sue-Church-England-allowing-married-church.html

I supported the right of gay couples to have same rights as heterosexual ones, but I feel this is going to far. Plus my religious friends (I'm agnostic) are now having a go at my naivety.

"Playing house"?

Damn, no "spit" emoticon. I'll just have to settle for

Ah well that is an altogether different debate.

While I think they have given these children a lovely life and there is no suggestion that they are anything but loving and caring parents I DO agree there is an element of consumerism there.

They are on record of choosing the egg donar for her IQ etc but the surrogate was someone totally different, they said they wouldn't have wanted the surrogate as a donar because she wasn't intelligent enough. (Or words to that effect). They used the same surrogate each time as far as I know.

I don't know though if this means the children miss out. My friend who is Gay is well aware that for her children to say "I've got two Mummies" is hard and may lead to a certain amount of teasing. She has to arm them against that and it isn't easy.

For these Dads though, their children's schooling will be different as it won't be the State school up the road but the best private education money can buy. As such they are less likely to face the kind of prejudice my friends children face. .(..I think)

Jeez, seems like I've got more of a moral compass than a lot of religious folk and I'm an atheist

Apparently, it only seems so to you.
The rest of the army is marching out of step with you, so they must all be wrong.

it's clear from psychological studies that all else being equal a kid needs a mother and father

Source please as I would be very interested in seeing this study.

Note: studies from Bigots' weekly do not count.

Well they wouldn't accidentally rent out a woman's womb, would they.

So you think a baby is better off being looked after by a woman who is quite happy to sell him/her, rather than by a pair of men who are desperate to have a family. That would be why?

All parents of surrogate babies 'take' the baby away from the birth mother. Including your preferred mix of male and female humans. It's kinda the point of surrogacy.

My last post could equally apply to a heterosexual couple though ...going for the high IQ donar but using a surrogate.

Google scholar should turn up something...

nope, refutes the OP's assertion.

Can't find any which do...

sorry, 'do support the OPs assertion'.

You can't go round crossing bits of the Bible out just because you don't agree with it. Find a religeon that accepts you or do you just like the pretty church

I think many churches interpret the Bible n their own way quite honestly.

Some odd stuff in the Bible which we would not do now.

Ad yes I do like the pretty church . Actually it's not THAT pretty...a fairly modern building but I DO like the people within.

I think all of us, from all sides of the debate, can agree that there is a fairly high chance that the OP is a complete pillock. Maybe it would be best to continue the conversation amongst ourselves and ignore his/her hateful interjections?

"You can't go round crossing bits of the Bible out just because you don't agree with it. Find a religeon that accepts you or do you just like the pretty church"

Why not? Plenty of other bits of it have fallen by the wayside...

OutragedFromLeeds Better a pillock than one who insists on forcing others to accept them.

But in creating a baby I would argue that ALL adults put their needs first.

"I want a baby"
"We want children"

Thing is that having been brought up in an abusive home I would have given anything for the kind of stability other children experience, even those with two Mums or two Dads.

Stability is important.

How do we know these children don't have access to female company? Don't know enough about them but am guessing there will be women in the family,

There are plenty of Christians who'd be quite happy for gay couples to marry in church. It should be up to each vicar to decide for themselves, rather than banning them all.

'Better a pillock than one who insists on forcing others to accept them.'

ok

Oh btw, as I accept it wasn't clear, my point about extended families is that children don't just thrive with one mummy and one daddy which have to be their biological mother and father. They can get their different needs met by different family members, as well as other role models such as nannies, teachers, friends' parents etc, who they will come into contact with more and more as they grow up. A new baby doesn't need a mother as such, it needs a loving parent who meets its physical and developing emotional needs; who cuddles it, talks to it, shows it interesting things, smiles, speaks gently and above all cares. Mothers do that sort of thing particularly well, generally, with a few dishonourable exceptions. So, spookily enough, do fathers. It's a fuckin' insult to half the human race to imply they can't.

You can't go round crossing bits of the Bible out just because you don't agree with it. Find a religeon that accepts you or do you just like the pretty church

LEVITICUS!!!

"The fact is this: most people, who are not completely selfish, when starting a family, reasonably think, 'That child may need two parents of the opposite sex'."

Do they? What are you basing that on?

Don't most people when starting a family just well, start a family? It didn't cross my mind in the slightest that I might have a DS who would go through puberty and that only my DP would ever really be able to talk to him about that.

Personally I don't care in the slightest what genitals parents have.

'Better a pillock than one who insists on forcing others to accept them.'

Ummm, can you really honestly not see what is unbelievably selfish and wrong about that statement?