To think that this is just a silly reaction on behalf of gay people?

[Jesssime]

Don't misunderstand me, I support gay people having full access to same rights as opposite sex people. Always have done. As somebody has somebody close to me who is gay, I like to keep abreast of gay news.

But I don't know, isn't the following just a bit over the top:

I mean, Yes, I'm totally fine with same sex marriage, but I'm not going to take to the streets and party over it. I'm guessing that it's not that big a deal to the majority of us-this doesn't mean that anybody's against it at all, but that it really IS no big deal. So why are they expecting the news channels to give it much coverage?

www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/07/19/whitehall-questions-why-equal-marriage-was-largely-ignored-by-bbc-channel-4-and-other-media/

[GettingVerySleepy]

Why make a fuss?

Because ?Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.? - MLK jr.

Bye!

[LittleSporksBigSpork]

No one is telling you to celebrate, but you shouldn't tell other people whether or not they can celebrate. The idea we can only celebrate if it affects a lot of people is ridiculous. The Lakota and Ojibwe nations recently got back their stolen sacred lands after having to raise a lot of money to prevent development (with the US ignoring the UN who told them to just give it back as even the UN agreed it was stolen). In terms of number of people, our nations are tiny and many no longer live anywhere near the sacred lands, should we not be allowed to celebrate due to population size?

And YOUR sentence about adultery ignores that people in same sex relationships may also enjoy having sex and being in relationships with people of other genders. The adultery law is out of date, but YOU have erased many groups of queer people. Get out of the narrow box - bisexuals, pansexuals, ringing any bells?

[RockChicken1]

Op you say that gay people don't face persecution in this country. I challenge you to walk around your local town for an hour holding the hand of a female friend. We may not face being imprisoned for who we are, but I guarantee at the very least you will be stared at and experience homophobic remarks. I was once holding my dp's hand and a cup of hot coffee was thrown at us, and a friend of mine was beaten up for embracing his dp in public. Legalising same sex marriage is huge! It sends out the message that we are equal in the eyes of the law, and I believe it will change the way future generations view gay people. I don't think anyone expected street parties, but more of an acknowledgement in the mainstream media would have been nice.

[MarmaladeTwatkins]

No-one is even saying it needs to be celebrated (although I certainly wouldn't mind one iota if anyone did!) but it definitely should be acknowledged.

As we have been saying all along.

But OP keeps banging on about cheering and celebrating.

[GettingVerySleepy]

As somebody who was -initially- against same sex marriage

I think the OP is one of those people who think gay people should be immensely grateful for the "tolerance" she is showing them by "allowing" them to get married but is fed up because after all she's done for them they won't just shut up and go away!

[Cherriesarelovely]

As a gay person living in the UK I do feel lucky to live here as opposed to many other countries around the world. That doesn't mean that gay people are not discriminated against at all. That is like saying that because black people are protected in law there is no racism or racist incidents. Last year a family took their children out of the school where I work because they didn't want their child to have a gay teacher.

The thing I most dislike about your posts are the assertions that "the majority of people are not interested".....so because they are not gay they wont care? I am not disabled but I care about legislation that affects people that are.

[MissMarplesBloomers]

I am rarely so gobsmacked as I have been on this thread ,to the OP's ignorance & bigotry, and I am never lost for words, but this time I have nearly posted and then deleted so many comments I have given up.

We did our best folks some people just don't want to hear!

[Lj8893]

So basically every single poster on this 10 page thread (minus the OP) is wrong according to the OP.

[Jesssime]

I don't understand how it can be called 'bigotry' to say that one does not care particularly about the same sex marriage issue and that it is not exactly headline news.

I really think that some ought to look up the word bigotry for it is clear they have no idea what the word means.

Indifference does not equal bigotry. It may be viewed as uncaring, morally lax in some way, but not bigotry.

[Lj8893]

Oh god. I thought you were done here. Just give it up Op, not one person has agreed with your thoughts yet many have out rightly disagreed.

[JamieandtheMagicTorch]

And yet you care so little you've started a thread about it and persisted in failing to understand the eloquently argued poimts put to you.

Hmm

[Jesssime]

Yes, well the thing is, Lj8893, I don't like being called a bigot because I'm not that bothered about same sex marriage.

Not caring about it and being a bigot are two different things.

[LittleSporksBigSpork]

No one called you a bigot - you are the one who brought up bigots.

You "don't care" you just want to, as a straight person, tell the rest of us how we should react. That we're not very important and should keep any feelings we have the topic to ourselves. That you, the straight person, are the decider of all of that is important in the world and the LGBT*+ community that is part of it.

You have every right not to care - no one is trying to make you care - you just don't get to tell other people whether or not they should care.

[JamieandtheMagicTorch]

OP your words:

"Actually, if I may do a little sidestepping here, same sex marriage is a bit of an own goal from a strategical viewpoint as there's a risk that society will think, 'Well they've got equal marriage now, what are they whingeing about'?

Which is probably what I'm guilty of doing here to a certain extent

I'm not saying this is right at all but how people are"



You admitted in the post above that you are allying yourself with people who are unreasonable. Therefore Yabu and I don't think you are fully aware of your own bigotry because you appear to not understand the implications of what you said in that post

[JamieandtheMagicTorch]

Btw.

We are all a bit bigoted about something. It takes a biggere person to admit it.

[JamieandtheMagicTorch]

Bigger. Bloody ipad

[Lj8893]

OP, you just seem to me very ignorant and short sighted and unwilling/unable to look at the bigger picture.

You seem to have only picked up on comments that you are able to find a loose argument back to, and ignored the comments you are unable to find a response to.

[Jesssime]

LittleSporksBigSpork

Actually, somebody did just accuse me of bigotry here.

The entire point of my post to begin with is that gay people now think they have the right to tell the media what stories it should/should not cover. That's really dangerous territory, really.

And, Jamie my view is not wholly original about it being an own goal-I am paraphrasing that well known lesbian 'bigot'* Julie Bindel.

*NOT my view of her, but if I am a bigot she must be, too, for holding that view.

[Lj8893]

The entire point of my post to begin with is that gay people now think they have the right to tell the media what stories it should/should not cover. That's really dangerous territory, really.

For about the 5th time now, not just gay people believe there should be some kind of news coverage.

[Jesssime]

But there wasn't. So what's the solution, then? FORCE the media to print news that we think is newsworthy?

[Jesssime]

It would have been newsworthy had:

a, Civil partnerships not existed

b, It was exactly the same as straight marriage


As it is, they've only effectively renamed civil partnerships 'marriage'.

[LittleSporksBigSpork]

You still brought it up first, and I am not psychic enough to see what people would do after me.

LGBT*+ people (this does not just affect "gay people") are not the monolith you are trying to create. We have a wide opinions on the issue, we are a very diverse group actually. I already posted on how it isn't the end all and be all, but we have more legitimacy than a straight person trying to tell us what about ourselves we should and should not care about and how we should fight our fight. Quoting one lesbian doesn't mean you are apart or an ally to our fight (and hint: the mainstream news media is pretty much run by straight people. they're the ones deciding it's a big story, we get little say in the matter actually). There is no gay conspiracy trying to tell you what is important or that you must celebrate or be labelled a bigot.

Though your erasure of bisexuals, pansexuals, and several other groups affected by this issue, trying to make us a monolith that onloy does one thing, and you deciding we should listen to you does have an dominant oppressive ring to it .

[gordyslovesheep]

pmsl do you understand what dictate means - every single person on the PLANET has the right to complain if they are not happy with something on TV ...it doesn't mean anyone has to do anything

Dictating is not what you mean ...you mean 'expressing an opinion' and if you don't think people have the right to do that you are a fool

please do go now x