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AIBU?

To get really quite cross about gender separation starting from newborn?

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ComtessedeFrouFrou · 14/07/2013 12:16

In M & S today and thought I'd look at their newborn basics for DC1, due in early October. We're not planning to buy masses for DC1 as my sister warned me that we're likely to get given lots, but obviously I don't want to be out shopping straight from the labour ward.

Clothes for 0-2 years, already separated into boys and girls. There are a few bits in white and almost nothing else that could properly be described as being gender neutral. We don't know the sex of the baby but even once he or she is here I am determined that whatever sex the baby turns out to be, they will not spend their lives dressed exclusively in blue or pink (delete as appropriate).

Why is it so hard to find stuff that is neutral? I tend to buy more neutral things for friends with children, even if they are obviously for a boy/girl. For my DC1, I have basically had to tend towards the more boyish end of the spectrum in order to avoid being drowned in sugary pink. I wear blue about 4 days out of 7, so why do little girls have to spend their lives in pink?

Ironically, given everything I have heard about how shit they are in all other respects, Mothercare seems to be one of the few places you can get genuinely gender neutral clothes for very small babies.

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AmandaPandtheTantrumofDoom · 18/07/2013 19:27

Stormy - I had that too, although I don't think that it's because white is considered masculine. I think it's because we use male as a default. Think about talking about animals to the kids- it is really a conscious thing not to say he every time. So people so no gender indication on a baby and often default in just the same way.

FWIW, I never cared and, if I didn't think that the conversation was going any further, didn't set them right. People get quite upset if you correct them I found. I had a boy's name I gave them and everything if they unexpectedly kept chatting. Grin

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LittleBearPad · 18/07/2013 19:54

OP I didn't know DD was going to be a girl and YANBU at all. We went for neutrals ( white, cream etc) and the woman in Mamas and Papas commented that clearly we hadn't found out what we were having. I loved the plain white babygros most I think. Post-birth out flat looked like there'd been a pink tsunami. Happily it suited DD but I do try to buy her other colours as gifts are usually pink. My mum thinks I over think it but I never wore really pink when a baby in the 70s.

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VinegarDrinker · 18/07/2013 20:06

I took Dd (2 weeks) into the school DH works in today to show her off. She was wearing a Sainsburys vest - green with stars. Almost every single child assumed she was a boy. These are primary aged kids. Pretty depressing.

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ComtessedeFrouFrou · 18/07/2013 22:17

It's interesting that those of you who disagree think that I am either making something out of nothing or that I simply haven't looked very hard.

And yet I would estimate (I haven't counted) that at least two thirds, if not three quarters of posters agree and either didn't want to know the sex or object to gender separation on principle.

I appreciate that I am in the minority these days in not wanting to know the sex of my unborn baby, but what happened to choice? Even once DC1 arrives, I don't want my daughters to grow up looking like I've dipped them in glue and let them loose in a sequin factory. I'm less bothered about diggers and dinosaurs but I strongly object to the "blokeification" of little boys. I saw a boy in John Lewis the other day of about 4. He was wearing a fan navy and cream stripy jumper and a bright yellow rain mac. He looked awesome.

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moustachio · 18/07/2013 23:48

I never count the number for/against aibu's as a true representation though OP. It's obvious that if someone has an opinion about something, they'll post. Those who don't care about gender specifics won't bother clicking on the thread, just saying. You should look at the quality of arguments instead.

I didn't mean to be rude but I do think you are making something out of nothing.

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moustachio · 18/07/2013 23:54

I was a 90's baby and every photo from my childhood i have fucking ridiculous flowery poofy dresses on. Not necessarilly pink though.

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missmargot · 19/07/2013 07:51

I'm 16 weeks pregnant and we aren't planning on finding out the sex of the baby. Even though I know it's early to be buying anything I've not be able to resist looking at baby clothes, especially during the sales. I was really surprised at how little choice there is for gender neutral clothes and how many of the baby clothes out there are pink and blue.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of pink for girls, blue for boys etc and a pair of t shirts I saw saying (in pink) 'Pretty Like Mummy' and (in blue) 'Clever Like Daddy' gave me the rage.

I didn't expect something like this to bother me as much as it has done, but no OP YANBU.

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ninilegsintheair · 19/07/2013 10:01

YANBU at all OP. I was the same with my DD when she was a baby - everyone bought her pink. I put her in any colour I choose, she looks gorgeous in bright primary red for example. We didn't find out her gender before birth and finding neutral clothes was tough - white is irritating as a colour as newborns are sick/poo a lot and it ruins the colour quickly. I aimed for green and yellow but finding those colours was hard.

DD's now 2 1/2, and obsessed with trains. She has a lot of 'boys' clothes as a result. I've lost count of the times she's been called a boy despite having long hair and (imo) looking quite feminine in her facial features. People see the colours of the clothes and make snap judgements based on pink = girl, any other colour = boy.

This is not 'something about nothing' at all.

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OxfordToLondoner · 08/09/2013 09:56

YANBU. I've been given so many bloody baby pink clothes for my newborn DD it's ridiculous, especially as you'd think people who know me would know that i can't stand it.

In hospital, one midwife assumed that we didn't know what we were having, as we'd brought white clothes (as if it's really unusual not to put them in pink). Another one told me that I should cut my DS's hair....seriously...when i was having a weepy post birth anxiety moment, JUST what i needed!

It is easy to get non vomit inducing clothing, but the high street doesn't make it easy. If you've got the kind of cash to shop from Nordic Kids, No Added Sugar, Lula Sapphire et al then that's great, but not everyone does.

Ninilegs 5 year old DS has shoulder length curls, and despite facially looking (and behaving) in a very gender stereotypically manner, people are always confusing him for a girl. It's weird how people can't seen beyond the clothes or hair.

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jessieagain · 08/09/2013 11:04

I had an interesting moment a few weeks ago when a woman called my 2year old ds a girl. He was wearing grey tracksuit bottoms, brown/red/blue trainers and a grey, white and brown striped top with a bear on the front Grin.

Yabu I don't really think it is a problem. Parents can chose to dress their children as they like and there is plenty to choose from. If the styles you like are too expensive try ebay.

Obviously pink sells for girls which is why there is so much of it. I am not a big fan of dressing my son in the dull "old-man" style clothes as I prefer bright colours, but I do dress him in clothes with dinosaurs, trucks and Thomas on them as that is what he likes to wear, (although some people here have also criticised this) Hmm

Fwiw my son was in neutrals when he was a newborn. We inherited them all from friends' dds.

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