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... to have an argument with SIL over her post about controlled crying?

361 replies

katykuns · 12/07/2013 11:45

Post: 'Dear mommy,

I am confused.
I am used to falling asleep in your soft, warm arms. Each night I lay snuggled close to you; close enough to hear your heartbeat, close enough to smell your sweet fragrance. I gaze at your beautiful face as I gently drift off to sleep, safe and secure in your loving embrace. When I awaken with a growling stomach, cold feet or because I need a cuddle, you attend to me quickly and before long I am sound asleep once again.
But this last week has been different.

Gentle, Tear-Free Sleep Solution
Each night this week has gone like this. You tucked me up into my cot and kissed me goodnight, turned out the light and left. At first I was confused, wondering where you?d gone. Soon I became scared, and called for you. I called and called for you mummy, but you wouldn?t come! I was so sad, mummy. I wanted you so badly. I?ve never felt feelings that strong before. Where did you go?
Eventually you came back! Oh, how happy and relieved I was that you came back! I thought you had left me forever! I reached up to you but you wouldn?t pick me up. You wouldn?t even look me in the eye. You lay me back down with those soft warm arms, said ?shh, it?s night time now? and left again.
This happened again, over and over. I screamed for you and after a while, longer each time, you would return but you wouldn?t hold me.
After I had screamed a while, I had to stop. My throat hurt so badly. My head was pounding and my tiny tummy was growling. My heart hurt the most, though. I just couldn?t understand why you wouldn?t come.
After what felt like a lifetime of nights like this, I gave up. You don?t come when I scream, and when you do finally come you won?t even look me in the eye, let alone hold my shaking, sobbing little body. The screaming hurt too much to carry on for very long.
I just don?t understand, mummy. In the daytime when I fall and bump my head, you pick me up and kiss it better. If I am hungry, you feed me. If I crawl over to you for a cuddle, you read my mind and scoop me up, covering my tiny face with kisses and telling me how special I am and how much you love me. If I need you, you respond to me straight away.
But at night time, when it?s dark and quiet and my night-light casts strange shadows on my wall, you disappear. I can see that you?re tired, mummy, but I love you so much. I just want to be near to you, that?s all.
Now, at night time, I am quiet. But I still miss you.'

She doesn't understand why it's angered me. In my opinion, it's emotional blackmail and utterly manipulative. I did controlled crying with DD1, but she was naturally a good sleeper so it wasn't really a challenging experience. DD2 isn't a great sleeper, and we do try for a few minutes to see if she will settle, but get her back up when she doesn't.
As I see it, this is written by an adult projecting her own feelings about CC onto others through the form of a poor vulnerable baby, it really doesn't sit right with me at all.
I don't really agree with co-sleeping, but I never would post stuff like this to upset people doing co-sleeping.

OP posts:
rowtunda · 12/07/2013 17:29

Well Nina seen as you have done so much research into this you should be able to provide a link to peer reviewed scientific evidence that backs up your claim that 'leaving small babies to cry leads to a large increase in cortisol in the baby brain which affects how the babies brain grows and develops'.

Otherwise your just spouting shit to guilt trip and scare other parents - non?

rowtunda · 12/07/2013 17:30

Well Nina seen as you have done so much research into this you should be able to provide a link to peer reviewed scientific evidence that backs up your claim that 'leaving small babies to cry leads to a large increase in cortisol in the baby brain which affects how the babies brain grows and develops'.

Otherwise your just spouting shit to guilt trip and scare other parents - non?

rowtunda · 12/07/2013 17:30

Oops I phone malfunction

thebody · 12/07/2013 17:37

Totally rotunda. Agree with your last few posts!😃

Edendance · 12/07/2013 17:38

Well, things at night should be different to things during the day because night time is for sleeping... As long as CC is done after 6 months ish then it should take 3 nights to have a baby or child sleep through the night. Of course it won't always happen in the same way as all babies are different.

When a baby is first born they will wake up naturally between sleep cycles and cry, sometimes they will need feeding or something else too, and sometimes just because they've woken up. I've heard of some parents leaving babies a couple of minutes before going in to see if they need something or if they'll go back to sleep on their own as obviously if lots of stimulation is piled on instantly then it'll become a nighttime habit to wake up every little while, even if nothing was actually 'needed'.

There are many bad elements to sleep deprivation for both parents and child(ren), and there are also many studies which show co-sleeping leading to cot death, as well as negativity about CC, so really it's half a dozen of one and 6 of the other... Parentings about making decisions for yourself based on expert advice and your own judgement.

libertine73 · 12/07/2013 17:39

Tarka yes, that's what we need, a hide the knobbish posts button! we could type in phrases to help the system pick it up like...I'm not being funy but..... I'm not a racist but.....at the end of the day..... etc!

and yes, catgirl I luffs you too :)

libertine73 · 12/07/2013 17:41

Oh...and any post that starts with 'dear mommy.....'

hackmum · 12/07/2013 17:43

Your SIL sounds sanctimonious, self-righteous and unbearably sentimental. And quite possibly a bit thick too.

On the plus side, she's now demonstrated all these aspects of her character on FB, so everyone knows to avoid her. Smile

BigBongTheory · 12/07/2013 17:53

Cat girl. Brilliant!

NinaJade666 · 12/07/2013 17:53

www.earlyhumandevelopment.com/article/S0378-3782(11)00270-2/abstract

www.askdrsears.com/topics/fussy-baby/science-says-excessive-crying-could-be-harmful

There's a list to 19 studies to 'backup' that article at the bottom. But like I said you can pretty much find studies to back up anything you want to say or prove these days. I'm not trying to scare or guilt trip anyone. Aside from jackiethefart everyone has said they only did it as they couldn't cope anymore. I said it for anyone thinking about it or being pressured into it when they don't want to. Much as I am sure the SIL of the OP was doing it for on HER timeline on facebook.

BeyonceCastle · 12/07/2013 17:59

Blimey I cosleep and currently cosleep with two of mine but that post made me throw up a little in my mouth.

Mawky mork.

YANBU to hate that post or similar stuff about bf (and I say that as an extended bf) but YABU to use facebook Wink

Would cc advocates feel awful after reading it? They surely must see it as pukey puke from pukesville and get on with More Important Things surely?

LandOfSpareOom · 12/07/2013 18:07

CC advocates might think the baby thinks:

unhappy
unhappy
unhappy
unhappy
sleeeeeeeeeeeeep
hello!

While the parent thinks:

sob
sob
sob
sob
oh thank fuck I may regain my sanity

LandOfSpareOom · 12/07/2013 18:09

I can see that you?re tired, mummy, but I love you so much

As for that line, ffs, well, if love is declared of course you must compromise your mental health through sleep deprivation. After all, women must give up all ideas of autonomy or having their own needs if it's about love.

Chunderella · 12/07/2013 18:15

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monicalewinski · 12/07/2013 18:21

Catgirl1976 is awesome.

rowtunda · 12/07/2013 18:26

Ha ha ha Nina - I knew that you hadn't read my link!!

The time magazine article I linked to looks at the science behind all 19 studies that you have quoted! Even the authors of the studies say their research should not be used to back up your claim!

Also not at work at the mo so can't access the top paper you have linked (so i can't quote directly from the conclusion) but it really doesn't back up your claim - it is more focused on the disparity between mums and babies cortisol levels and doesn't comment on anything to do with babies brain development.

Maybe you should read my link again afterall - just to refresh yourself?

LadyBryan · 12/07/2013 18:38

Don't agree with CC and I distance myself from people who have done it.

But wouldn't post something like that - utterly vomit inducing

rowtunda · 12/07/2013 18:46

Ladybyran - why do you distance yourself from people who use CC? What a strange comment to make!

monicalewinski · 12/07/2013 18:56

How do you even know who has used CC?? Do you ask when you meet someone new? (I'm pretty sure there are many, many parents have done it in some form btw).

cannotfuckingbelievethis · 12/07/2013 18:59

We tried CC with DS1. He was a terrible sleeper from day 1 and didn't sleep through until he was almost 3. I remember being sat outside his room door, in tears, as was he, whilst 8 months pregnant with DD1. It was fucking awful.

DH was too soft though and I wasn't consistent enough we never really had a proper run at it. To be honest I did it out of sheer desperation but never truly liked the idea of it. However your Sil sounds like a tit. Ignore it.

hotair · 12/07/2013 19:00

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LoveBeingUpAt4InTheMorning · 12/07/2013 19:05

She's allow her opinion just as you are.

NinaJade666 · 12/07/2013 19:07

Of course I read the biased article.
The article also states that his philosophy of attachment parenting is in no way fatally flawed. It glosses over CC & CIO as being a lot less stressful than it is in RL. As far as I can see CC/CIO methods are not 'brief stressful experiences' it's not just 'letting them cry occasionally'
The fact that some of the studies are in animals that back his claims up I always found very interesting. It did not lead me to the conclusion that because it was an animal study that the findings of them were not important at all.
All the studies he used were linked to how cortisol levels affect the young brain of course they were all different and on their own individually don't back him up but a a whole they put a strong message across to me.

NinaJade666 · 12/07/2013 19:13

*as a whole

ThePowerof3 · 12/07/2013 19:13

That's a very emotive missive your SIL has posted, does seem to relate to a baby that is left to cry for some time rather than a couple of minutes a time