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AIBU in thinking that anyone who had ever actually given birth would never let an 11 year old make the decision to give birth?

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MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps · 10/07/2013 17:10

And that if an 11 year old can't make the decision to have consensual sex she can't possibly understand the complexities of pregnancy and labor? Especially as doctors have said it could kill her?

If you haven't heard of this it's one of the most upsetting stories I have ever read in a long while.

latino.foxnews.com/latino/health/2013/07/10/chile-president-praises-pregnant-11-year-old-maturity-for-keeping-baby/

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5madthings · 10/07/2013 21:52

But yes I disagree with forced abortion but at what age would we deem a child capablsof making this choice. If your nine year old daughter got pregnant would you let them choose?! Or seven/eight etc. I wouldn't want to force my daughter but at that age and when continuing the pregnancy will put her life at risk I would want her to have an abortion.

ZZZenagain · 10/07/2013 21:52

we don't really know if it would be a forced abortion since we don't know if this child was ever offered the option of an abortion, people are saying it is illegal in her country. We also don't know if she has been well advised re pregnancy and childbirth, whether she has been told that she can keep the baby and whwther she has been promised any kind of help with motherhood. If she has simply been told she is going to have a babzy, that babies are beautiful and it will belike having a special doll, maybe she has answered, yes I'd like that.

fuckwittery · 10/07/2013 21:53

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5madthings · 10/07/2013 21:59

Thanks for the link fuck interesting. Good that they can do that but wonder how they decide, at least it is done on an individual basis, at what age would they use that law! I mean I made my kids have vaccinations and if god forbid my dd got preg at 9/10 yes who would decide if the courts should get involved re abortion. If I wanted it and the drs agreed it was best for medical reasons etc at what point is it decided and by whom that it should go to court?

Agree need for police and social services involvement which I would request myself!

FreudiansSlipper · 10/07/2013 22:00

what an awful story poor poor girl :(

she really has no choice she will have been told evil women have abortions, killing a child is a sin and so on (though many back street abortions take place) and after not only being raped but her own mother saying such vile things having a termination could lead her to feeling even worse about herself

and to be used for political scoring is just disgusting

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StealthPolarBear · 10/07/2013 22:04

Im guessing the girl knows little about abortion other than it is illegal and a very bad thing.
Raped by her stepfather, failed by her mother, now failed by the country she lives in and used as a political pawn.

StealthPolarBear · 10/07/2013 22:06

Baby at highr risk of birth defects and stillbirth. Girl will go through a lot of pain and trauma, and risk death and deformity. I wish evil things on the two adults in her life.

MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps · 10/07/2013 22:11

two adults and the president

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StealthPolarBear · 10/07/2013 22:13

Yes I hope he gets pregnant by a freak of nature and has to give birth througb his pen is. Wonder hkw quickly hed undictate the law then.

MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps · 10/07/2013 22:16

I really do hope science sorts out men getting pregnant soon. they'll be handing out abortions like sweets

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StealthPolarBear · 10/07/2013 22:16

To triplets

edam · 10/07/2013 22:17

oh good grief, that poor girl. Raped, abused, and now under the control of a government that is quite happy to put her life at risk in pursuance of an anti-abortion agenda.

I just hope she doesn't die in labour, poor kid.

StealthPolarBear · 10/07/2013 22:20

When I was pregnant I felt 11. I needed my mum. :(

StealthPolarBear · 10/07/2013 22:21

Sorry meant in labour.
She has all the odds stacked against her

MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps · 10/07/2013 22:21

coming from someone who is very pro natural labor, I hope she's practically unconscious if she does go through labour. I really canr fathom a child in that kind of pain

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fuzzpig · 10/07/2013 22:24

God what a horrifying story.

What her mother said was just awful. I was abused as a child and while the abuse itself is just a life event I have worked through, I don't think I will ever get over the fact that my mum refused to let me prosecute her brother. He would never cope in jail, apparently (funny that, what with being a child molester and everything Hmm)

CarpeVinum · 10/07/2013 22:26

(though many back street abortions take place)

Which incidentally, is where you look if you want to catch a glimps of forced abortion.

I had an illegal backstreet abortion in a non devolped country in my early twenties. The image I am least able to eradicate is the not insignificant number of girls and women who didn't want to be there. Flanked by people determined that they were going to stay, submit and exit unpregnant.

When you take away the legal choice you take away the controls that try to weed out coerced patients too.

MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps · 10/07/2013 22:28

fuzz Sad

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edam · 10/07/2013 22:29

carpe, that's a very moving post.

MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps · 10/07/2013 22:29

were they sex workers carpe? they're not worth anything if they can't make money Sad

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FreudiansSlipper · 10/07/2013 22:31

sorry you had to go through that

women should always have the choice and the choice to use contraception and for it to be her choice not forced on her

i lucky i live in a country that we are given that choice

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 10/07/2013 22:33

My DD is 11yo so this girls' predicament is particularly harrowing.

Aside from what anyone else thinks about the right of the unborn baby, I hope this girl will be allowed to have a C-Section.
Major surgery, yes.
But the thought of an 11yo going through childbirth [sad