AIBU in thinking that anyone who had ever actually given birth would never let an 11 year old make the decision to give birth?

[MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps]

And that if an 11 year old can't make the decision to have consensual sex she can't possibly understand the complexities of pregnancy and labor? Especially as doctors have said it could kill her?

If you haven't heard of this it's one of the most upsetting stories I have ever read in a long while.

latino.foxnews.com/latino/health/2013/07/10/chile-president-praises-pregnant-11-year-old-maturity-for-keeping-baby/

[morethanpotatoprints]

Myhumps

Hadn't thought of that, its just so horrible and I think human nature to try to rationalise the behaviour of these sick adults. Its just so disgusting and awful to think of the hell the poor kid is going through.

[louisianablue2000]

Has everyone read the link? This is not a story about a young woman refusing to have an abortion. This is a child who has been sexually abused by her mother's partner for several years. She is now pregnant in a country where abortion is not an option, it is illegal in all circumstances, including the rape of a minor. The (Catholic anti-abortionist) government is holding up this poor child as a shining example of someone who wants to have the baby that is a product of abuse, presumably they couldn't find an adult rape victim who is prepared to be the poster girl for their wonderful anti-abortion message. It's a horrific case where the poor girl is being abused by everyone from her own fucked up family to the leading politicians in her country.

[MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps]

5mad, several prominent doctors have spoken about the case and said they think her life will be in danger. I do believe that she will receive the best health care available in the country as if she dies the government will never be able to defend itself.

I wonder what help she will get if the baby is born with special needs as very young mothers are higher risk

[CarpeVinum]

Has everyone read the link?

I think there has been some skimming going on.

[MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps]

yes lousiana she wasn't given a choice not to have it, but as the media got hold of the story in the first place it's clearly very important to the government that she look like she want to do it

[5madthings]

Exactly louisianna this girl is not making a choice, she has no choice and its disgusting that she is being used to promote pro-life zealists.

[MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps]

I say in some of my posts (even though she has no actual choice) but my OP may have been badly phrased as it was the presidents currents comments that led me to posting.

[CarpeVinum]

I do believe that she will receive the best health care available in the country as if she dies the government will never be able to defend itself

But would we hear about it if she or her baby dies ? Citing privacy and her family's unsuitability to care for her.. "poof" ... theorectically she can be disappared to a "wonderful foster home with a new identity to protect her and her child who will be brought up alongside her.

If the gov. is determined that this case will not feed the demand for a relaxation of draconian abortion law they have options over and above full disclousre should they be so inclined to exercise them. Kind of depends how murky things can get over there.

[MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps]

that's an awful thought. I hope the media keep the attention on her. I also Hope they can find at least on adult who gives a fuck about her to look after her

[LynetteScavo]

"Her mother shocked Chileans recently when she defended him saying his relationship was consensual."

This poor girl need taking away from that mother asap. At last the grandmother has some sense.

I can't help wondering why nature allows girls to be able to get pregnant, when their bodies are still not totally ready to carry a baby and give birth.

[CarpeVinum]

I can't help wondering why nature allows girls to be able to get pregnant

Nature doesn't give a fuck. Wastage is factored in. Evolution doesn't produce perfection, good enough is nearer the mark.

[MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps]

I don't know either see my link about the 5 year old. am I remembering incorrectly or do young girls start with random ovulating while their body gets ready for sexual maturity?

[IneedAsockamnesty]

Out of interest in the uk if someone's young daughter was pregnant and was saying no to a abortion but her parents wanted her to have one,

What could the parents actually do?

I have an inkling its not much at all other than hope she changed her mind as I reckon it would be unlikely that she could be forced without a court order and a court order would more than likely be very nearly impossible to obtain.

[5madthings]

I think periods are starting earlier due to better health/nutrition? Also some children experience precocious (sp) puberty but yes nature isn't perfect.


socking it many depend on age of child etc, you can insist on some medical treatments, I guess it could go to court but it would have to be decided on an individual basis. If drs could show a strong possibility of death/serious harm in continuing with the preg and the girl was young is 9/10? Then maybe the drs and parents should be able to insist?fuck knows it goes against my belief in women having bodily autonomy but these are children we are talking about...

[thebody]

Makes you weep. Not sure who is more hateful here, the abuser defiantly also the mother and the president.

Poor mite. Fucking bastards.

[TSSDNCOP]

In a country where abortion is legal, if a child were subject to sustained and horrific abuse and became pregnant in this manner, debate over the outcome would be so much more open and the pregnant child's best interests could be served.

In a chile where abortion is illegal that debate was already reduced to "so anyway horrifically abused child, about this baby you'll be having". They never provided her with choices and counselled her with all the choices on the table.

She's likely too young to conceive of her body changing, the feeling of carrying a child let alone giving birth and the childs upbringing. It's just too big a concept.

There are no options now because she had no choice. It's just so bloody sad.

And her step father should be strung up

[TarkaTheOtter]

Glad I don't belong to a faith where a pregnancy is a "silver-lining" to a raped eleven year old. FFS

[ZZZenagain]

to give birth at 5 is almostvimpossible to imagine. Even though menarche set in atv8 months and she had some breast dvpt, widening of hips etc, her 5 year old body cannot have been ready for childbirth surely.

[MyHumpsMyLovelyBabyBumps]

pain in child birth is "eves curse" so a particularly nasty silver lining by religious standards.

[5madthings]

The girl of five had a c section as her pelvis wasn't wide enough for birth.

Surely a child of five/six/seven/eight/ etc you could insist in an abortion? As their parent as they are not old enough to make a decision. But at what age does that change?

[ZZZenagain]

seems she gave birth in 1939 so options just generally limited.

[5madthings]

megs read it and understand the context,the girl is living in a country where abortion is illegal. She gas been brought up to believe it us a sin. Her mother says the girl consented to sex with her stepfather ffs. This girl has not made a real choice or an informed choice in any sense at all.