To feel sad to see 5 year old girl in hijab

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Probably will get flamed for this & iabu as its not my business.
I am not racist in any way. I am Asian myself and have many Muslim friends.

Growing up, I never saw any muslim girls with hijabs. This is a trend which has been growing since the late 90s.

I know that the meaning behind the hijab is to protect modesty and show committment to Islam. It is supposed to be the girls/womans decision after much thought and dedication.

At 5 years old they are still getting changed in the classroom for PE and she won't be able to do this now with boys around. How will she play and do PE freely? She has been singled out by the views of her parents.
Also, she will barely know what religion means, so she has not made an informed decision for herself.

Normally she is chasing about with my DS and other kids before school.Today she was just stood there, perhaps embarrassed or told not to?
I felt very sad

Would you like to answer my question blueorange?

Crescentmoon: it isn't hard as hard for everyone to the problem www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft/article.php?issue=20130614&page=13 I've never seen that publication before and it looks interesting.

I messed that up, sorry.
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So Muslims are allowed to associate terrorism (some terrorism) with Islam but non-Muslims are not ?

Where is the Islam bashing? Why don't you answer my points?

I find hijabs on little girls really disturbing because it's suggesting they are sexually attractive to men so need to be covered up to not attract them. Not only is this quite perverse (that a child could be seen as sexual but the fact that she has to cover up in order to protect the man from his lustfulness towards her). I hope this doesn't become a cultural norm that people don't bat an eyelid at for fear of offending. It really makes me sad and is harmful for the little girls because they can develop rickets through lack of exposure to sunlight.

I see you are not going to respond to my posts or answer my points. This seems to be a vent rather than a conversation. Goodnight Crescentmoon.

White converts don't lose all their White privileged, they are socially given far more leeway than Asian Muslims and by far more than Black Muslims, born or covert, who are most likely to be attacked (just as Black gay people are more likely to be attacked than White gay people, Black trans* women have a far higher rate than their White counterparts). Even in the studies on the ethnic pay gap, the Muslim gap is observed to have fallen by difficulty Black Muslims have in getting the same good employment opportunities in the community as their other racial Muslim counterparts.

I am light skinned Metis who keeps my hair under a cloth cap for personal comfort, not attached to any organized faith, and I've been harassed and abused by association but it is not a drop compared to my darker friends. I'm an immigrant and I faced far less stress in the process than my Romani friend who spent hours being harassed and does still whenever she travels even as a well known writer and speaker. Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie speaks well of the issues within Europe in her speech about the story Europe tells itself about colonization. To ignore the created racial hierarchy is to ignore the pain it causes and prevent its destruction.

Cantspel, it is sad how much blood is shed - sunni shia, muslim, non-muslim. But it does not make the religion bad. Despite all the accusations, i still claim that islam is the religion of peace because my religion teaches patience. If some mslims choose not to follow its teachings then that makes them bad, not islam.

This is from my link, the Friday Times, after the killing of Drummer Rigby.

"The growing incidents of hate related crime do indicate that in the West, there is a presence of Islamists as well as those who promote Islamophobia. However, Muslim community leaders do accept that in order to come out of the vicious circle, the primary responsibility - as this latest incident in the UK tells us - is on the Muslim immigrant community. If Muslims have consciously chosen to have the West as the place where their children should grow up, their primary responsibility is to try to assimilate and integrate into the wider Western society, says Lord Tariq Ahmad."

Of course this is talking about migrants: but the comment about integration still applies.

Littlespork, a really interesting post by you. Genuine question - does the 'white man' historically consider himself superior to the 'dark skinned' people?

I ask this in response to your post and i saw an interesting comment made on a tv debate where a man (cannot remember his name - but he was a poet too and seemed well-informed) he said that racism is not a bottom-up approach, but a top-down approach. The decisions are made at the top and then are filtered to the masses.

BlueOrange, will you answer my points?

Grumbled - whats your question?

In response to your question (a response I gave immediately but you ignored)

"You mean, like the people who claim to be Muslim who threaten and plan terrorist attacks associate Muslims with terrorism? I suppose I take the lead from that. It's got no basis in Islam, I'm told, and I am more than ready to believe that, knowing the Muslims that I do know. But people who claim to be Muslim make the association. Don't you accept that?

So Muslims are allowed to associate terrorism (some terrorism) with Islam but non-Muslims are not ?"

And I have posted a link and quotes from Lord Ahmad, who says in the Friday Times that the primary responsibility for moving out of the vicious circle of misunderstanding is with the Muslim community. Lord Ahmad belongs to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association. My local mosque community is the same community.

of course terrorist attacks are condemned by everyone crumbled ffs. Do you seriously think that people are harbouring terrorists?

how can integration apply to anyone other than immigrants Crumbled?

It's not an of course Boomba. There is radicalisation going on in the UK and not just on the internet. The problem is the denial that this is happening. "Oh yes we all condemn terrorism. But it's nothing to do with us."

No. It's for the entire community to fight it - just as it was (and still is, to be sure) for the entire Catholic community to take a stand against the abuse of women and children. The Irish government is still apologising for the abuse of women in the name of the faith. There are still revelations about child abuse and attempts to conceal it.

The problems of oppression and terrorism can't be fought until it's fully acknowledged that oppression and radicalisation happen in the UK (for example, see my link).

Boomba do you agree with this statement?

"If Muslims have consciously chosen to have the West as the place where their children should grow up, their primary responsibility is to try to assimilate and integrate into the wider Western society."