To feel sad to see 5 year old girl in hijab

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Probably will get flamed for this & iabu as its not my business.
I am not racist in any way. I am Asian myself and have many Muslim friends.

Growing up, I never saw any muslim girls with hijabs. This is a trend which has been growing since the late 90s.

I know that the meaning behind the hijab is to protect modesty and show committment to Islam. It is supposed to be the girls/womans decision after much thought and dedication.

At 5 years old they are still getting changed in the classroom for PE and she won't be able to do this now with boys around. How will she play and do PE freely? She has been singled out by the views of her parents.
Also, she will barely know what religion means, so she has not made an informed decision for herself.

Normally she is chasing about with my DS and other kids before school.Today she was just stood there, perhaps embarrassed or told not to?
I felt very sad

We were told no one stops work to pray: this is not true.

Jack some parents 'sold' their boys to become priests in return for free education in some of the best catholic institutions in the UK.

Honestly, 50 years ago Britain was a very repressive country. It's all changed now and I believe it will again. The burkha will go the way of a nun's traditional headdress and the hijab will soon be something their grannies used to wear.

Sorry Crumbled, I disburbed your game of .

I'll leave you to it.

I am making an informed choice to halt this debate in order to provide a healthy source of nutrition for my children. Do carry on without me

Choice is a wonderful thing. When someone suggests taking it away, we react strongly against it.

My ME relies (mostly) would not wear headscarves if given a choice. To be bullied, menaces and threatened with a police cell for showing a lock of hair is bloody awful. It was something that old ladies wore and was dying out before the laws changed.

What I am trying to say is:
We have the right to wear what we want/need
But
On the other side of the coin, others have the right to say 'I don't like it'.

Nobody has the right to enforce their beliefs or ideas by threats, intimidation or violence.

Off to watch some tennis now...

Boomba - fortunately we are in a country that has got, just about, free speech. And my opinion counts as much as anyone else's - despite what you say.

Don't resort to trying to put people down just because they think differently to you - it does you a disservice.

But rhubarb, the key thing is that parents sold their boys for an education. They didn't do it in the belief it would make them holy or guarantee them a place in heaven.

I disagree that the burkha will become less popular. I believe its becoming more popular esp amongst young women.

I am not 'putting you down' tango

How much your opinion 'counts' is subjective. It doesn't matter to me at all. And luckily, you have no say on what people can or can't wear, or what religion they follow

Boomba - if it doesn't matter to me at all then just let it go and stop getting so het up.

And I'm not interested in what people can or can't wear, or what religion they follow - you don't know whether I follow a religion or what I wear because I keep that to myself.

That's very odd. No true follower of Islam would make a little girl wear a hijab-it starts at puberty if at all as that is when they become a woman.
I have had plenty of muslim friends, those that chose to wear hijab and those that were forced to. For the latter it was not about religion or modesty but about control.

The women who post in here obviously are able to choose what they wear.

It really doesn't matter if you wear a head covering, arse skimming skirt or burka as generally in this country it's a woman's choice.

Sadly that's not the case elsewhere and to say it is every woman's choice is ridiculous.

Crescent... Can I remind you that after 7/7 there were no anti Muslim demos on our streets just sadness.

Although I believe there was a hateful demonstration of young men one of who was wearing a fake bomb back pack!

There are vile people in all religions and creeds, Muslims, Christians, and non religious folk as well.

was there something especially merciful in not holding the muslim community to account for the actions of lunatic individuals?

I think the above is what confuses many people. Someone in the community/mosque MUST know that these radicals are operating - so why don't they stop them. It's all very well spouting "Not in my name" on placards - DO something about them.

That's sweet Rhubarb!

Jack"I believe its becoming more popular esp amongst young women." Sadly yes, and its defence is becoming more aggressive. It reminds me of expats abroad - much less tolerant of change.

Crescentmoon : The Muslim community must acknowledge and continue to acknowledge over and over again the issues arising - in the same way the Catholic community has to acknowledge and cannot deny the problems within it. It's not enough for a priest to say - I didn't abuse any children. Everybody who is part of the church has to resolutely condemn it, to condemn the injustice, bullying and concealment. In the same way the Muslim community must acknowledge that some members of the community do terrible things, and not only that, do terrible things in its name. While there is denial - people saying, we'll, I'm not oppressing anyone, and I'm not oppressed, and I'm not stopping important work to pray, then you will find bewilderment leading to suspicion. If people inside the Muslim community have this knee jerk reaction - Oh you're just saying that because we reject Christianity (eh?), it's just Islamophobia - then people outside the community will be critical and will do the judging for you.

we draw the anger of the people who hate us because we rejected christianity, and we get the anger of those who hate us because we are not white. double the prejudice against the jews who are white but not christians, and double the prejudice against blacks/others who are christians but not white.

This displays a massive, massive prejudice against white non-muslims, verging on racism. No, we do not think like this, and it hasn't been expressed on this thread.

I also feel 'pathetically grateful' that most of my fellow citizens are reasonable' !! So do most of us I guess!

Many groups as MrsD say are targeted and excluded. I don't see that you as a Muslim woman have any particular gripe to be honest.

Gypsy travellers face far more prejudice than you with far less support.

Crumbled, again exactly spot on.

Crescentmoon : why don't you respond to my post? Unless you acknowledge that there are problems leading to suspicion and bewilderment, for example, leading to extra checks at airports, your sense of victimhood will reign unbounded.