To feel sad to see 5 year old girl in hijab

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Probably will get flamed for this & iabu as its not my business.
I am not racist in any way. I am Asian myself and have many Muslim friends.

Growing up, I never saw any muslim girls with hijabs. This is a trend which has been growing since the late 90s.

I know that the meaning behind the hijab is to protect modesty and show committment to Islam. It is supposed to be the girls/womans decision after much thought and dedication.

At 5 years old they are still getting changed in the classroom for PE and she won't be able to do this now with boys around. How will she play and do PE freely? She has been singled out by the views of her parents.
Also, she will barely know what religion means, so she has not made an informed decision for herself.

Normally she is chasing about with my DS and other kids before school.Today she was just stood there, perhaps embarrassed or told not to?
I felt very sad

It is sad to see people boast how great women's rights are in this country - not so much in a grateful way but more like gloating and turning their noses up at those less fortunate.

It is also funny how they dont see how oppressive and also indeed oppressed they are themselves, following like sheep making ill-informed judgments and holding deep-rooted prejudices and false notions of some kind of supremacy that feels very very uncomfortable from this side of the fence. It feels....oppressive.

I was talking about primogeniture and how this affects women. This was in response to crescentmoon's post ('islam came and destroyed primogeniture and wherever islam spread women were able to inherit from their families unlike in christendom where women only got that right in the 19th century').

I am perfectly aware that in countries such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar, rulership has not always passed to the eldest son of the eldest son. That was not my point. My point was that I am not aware of any country where rulership is hereditary, either in theory or in practice (e.g. Syria or Saudi Arabia), where rulership has ever passed to a daughter. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I was also not talking about countries where Muslim-majority electors have elected a woman to lead the country, because obviously that has nothing to do with primogeniture.

crescentmoon adds that 'primogeniture as i talked about it was to do with wealth, not rulership'. But I did also ask this: 'how many Muslim men have controlled big companies that have been passed on to their daughters? Can you name just one, please?'

aboutus that is the most stupid question i have ever seen on mn.

Then maybe google rape in pakistan

aboutus you have just added to the mindset "A woman deserves to be raped according to what she is wearing".

Can't believe you could actually post this comment.

aboutus that is about the most disgusting thing I have ever read here.

Remove the blinkers some day - and try to see the woman for who she is. You will find it very humbling. It takes so much courage to wear the hijab - even more to wear the niqab and walk down the street. If you think it is a sign of oppression - try to wear it. you will find that it is generally society and people like you that will oppress and make ill-informed judgments about the woman wearing the scarf. Try to endure the taunts, the verbal abuse, even the physical aggression that the woman may have to suffer. You talk of hijab as oppressive, try to walk in a hijab and you will realise where true oppression actually lies.

I understand exactly what fuzzy means when she says that she has to work twice as hard because she wears a hijab. I totally get it.

I have thought and thought and thought about this post. Because I like to think of myself as a warm woolly liberal, and I do tend to think that a woman in - not so much a hijab, but let's say a burqa or a niqab, may be wearing that because she's been told she MUST wear it. So my default setting is to see that covering as a sign of oppression.

Having read the thread, however, I do see that an adult woman may choose to wear this covering, even though I may disagree with her reasons for doing so.

But I also see the OP's unease at the fact that a 5 year old is covering herself. I really don't see how a 5 year old is making any real choice here. She's probably following how Mummy dresses. In the same way that I would also think it wrong to see a 5 year old in heels, make-up, etc., I just think this is wrong.

I feel quite sad that this us against them mentality exists.

I am a practising Catholic and say my decades of the rosary when I can fit them in.

I imagine that Muslims can "make up" their prayer time if it is truly inconvenient when prayers are due?

Blind faith is not acceptable to me. I query and question my own religion on a regular basis. I also attend my Hindu friends' celebrations and know and respect my Muslim friends' beliefs.

My only hope is that these feelings and beliefs are also shared by these communities.

aboutus Your Q doesn't warrant an answer

aboutus explain then why pakistan has a growing rape problem.

And even if you were stupid enough to accept that what a woman wears is an excuse for rape or a cause of it. It still doesn't mean women should cover themselves. Maybe we could just poke the eyes out of all baby boys at birth so that they are never so overcome by the sight of a woman they are driven to rape.

no i just hate stupid people who thinks a woman by what she might be or not be wearing is responsible for becoming a rape victim.

aboutus you are being utterly absurd. 50% of the population does not have to go about in a black sheet in order not to be raped. Get a grip.