To get annoyed when other women say "I'm not a feminist"

[Nickabilla]

As if it's a dirty word and a shameful thing to be? I hear it every now and then and always question it. Someone said it today and I'm annoyed again.

Do some women not realise that women didn't used to be allowed to go to university, get divorced, own property or vote?

Rant over.

8.competition. I think men are naturally [yes here is biology again] more competitive than women. I dont think there is so much of a difference on this point, as in some of my points 1-7, but, definitely, on ,balance, I think they are. Competitive against other men, as well as against othe women. And that helps drive them forward or up, as well.
Perhaps women have the same level of competitiveness as men pre children? Not sure. But on the whole, for a lot of them, definitely not, after children.

Not exactly full time. My DH and I are in a business partnership, but he does the majority of the work, because I am a fairly weak specimen of a female which is not very suited to the business. DH doesnt mind. He is emminently suited to the business, and only needs 6 hours sleep a night, whereas I need 9.
I dont feel remotely devalued or disadvantaged. In fact I feel lucky to have married him!

I think people who do the exact same work as men, and working the same hours as men, and willing to relocate the same as men, willing to retire at the same age as men if in the exact same job?[not as sure about this one, may need more thought on that], willing to go abroad if necessary, at very short notice, should have level playing fields, yes.

The court is deserted so I am earring maltesers and noodling on the Internet.

I find the debate about child care/access to jobs quite interesting. I had a child and went back to work full time when she was 7 months old. Anything else would have ruled me out of continuing in my chosen field or at least made it very difficult. Every year another clutch of eager young graduates is hatched and snapping at my heels. How can I ask the world to stop turning just to facilitate my selfish desire to have a child? Not as if the world needs any more children.

But on the other hand I agree the workplace does seem to be dominated by very family unfriendly mind sets which must also hurt men and their relationships with children.

I suppose I look at the issue from an employer point of view.
We employ people, mainly men. Women choose not to do the type of work we have on offer, on the whole.
If they applied, we would give them a try, just the same as a man.

I was going to say that I agree that macho work culture is less productive. Then I changed my mind somewhat.
If you employ a man who can regularly hack 12 or more hours a day, for years on end, then some employers will do that
He may not burn out for years. If he does, replace him with a younger version who can then hack regular 12 hour days for years on end.
That is what happens in some industries.
Not right, but they would say that that is what makes them competitive.

Dang, the thread has moved on and I haven't had time to follow. (Am actually at home with my youngest, and studying to get into the revered world of Academia. Not really, it's science :)
So just caught up with yams and the level playing field. Which i agree to very much. This is what gets me, often, is that the playing field is not really level except in a few places in the world. And in many places some people are actively working to reverse any progress (read Afghanistan).
Someone upthread said it is a case of running just to stay still. I agree to that.
Another thing is the value placed on women's work. Not just locally, but globally. It's often deemed somehow not quite as important as the work men do. Drives me bananas. And I include in that looking after children countered with your happy CEO. Maybe that's not feminism though, but a radical paradigm shift as to what is regarded as important and valuable would be very good right now.
gotta go, school run.

Perhaps I will now pause on this thread for a few hours, to let others join in or add if they want to.

Fascinating thread, though I confess that I have not read it in its entirety.

I was wondering what peoples' views were on car insurance; female drivers have been shown to be far safer than males (especially at 17 - 25 age range) and yet insurance companies are not allowed to offer quotes that are based upon gender.

Seems absurd to me.

I agree, I think this is a hangover from argument that any discrimination on any difference is bad, when actually sometimes it is essential.

Women's insurance will now go up as a result!

Thought I would just pop in to say, no of course that is not our business model!

Buffy

Shhhhhh. Lower premiums is the only privilege of being old. There's no way I want to pay what I did when I was 17 .

Ageist = ok
Sexist = not ok

I read a it of the girlswithwords ?? Blog after people praised it on here and almost gave up in disgust at a lengthy post dedicated to how someone was slagging her off on the Internet, but I did like her piece on the glass ceiling and the glass cellar.

We are told as women there is a glass ceiling above us with all the menz, but feminists don't talk about the glass cellar as below us are lots of menz.

Sorry, didn't phrase it as well as her but I liked the image. It's a more economical way of saying what some of us have been saying about general inequalities.

I for instance know of a lawyer in the City, probably corporate lwawyer, who works from 7am to 10pm 5 days a week. Not sure about weekends.
Is that exploitation, if he willingly goes to work each day?
And there would be no reason that women couldnt do that too, is there?[perhaps they do for all I know]. Single women I suppose.

Spero

You need to either watch her videos on youtube or read a more informative blog, other than a retort to someone's comments about her. Her videos tend to be quite long but her 'me a feminist, no way' is quite interesting. Her one entitled 'owning your shit' is also rather thought provoking.

GirlWritesWhat has a way with words. The lengthy blog post you're referring to is about some weirdo who has taken a dislike to her, and she's basically setting the record straight.

Her you tube channel is good. Here:

X-posts with Techno.

Buffy, the glass elevator was serious pants! What was Roald thinking!