To get annoyed when other women say "I'm not a feminist"

[Nickabilla]

As if it's a dirty word and a shameful thing to be? I hear it every now and then and always question it. Someone said it today and I'm annoyed again.

Do some women not realise that women didn't used to be allowed to go to university, get divorced, own property or vote?

Rant over.

'but what you have said here tonight drips with contempt for most of us.'

I don't know what to say to that really, I guess I can't do much about how you interpret my words.

Sewerage work is carried out by the main (huge and no doubt male dominated) water companies isn't it?

Likewise construction - large firms, fierce competition, good contacts, blacklists. One wonders just how seriously a female only construction company would be taken.

However, I believe female plumbing companies are becoming a modern-day succes story.

technotropic, one theory is because the advent of agriculture. Jared Diamond talks about that in the rise and fall of the 3rd chimpanzee.
As populations became tied to one place, women could have children more frequently, and came to be regarded as part of the cattle, so to speak. Elite classes could rise to lord it over the peasants, and hey presto: the patriarchy was born. I agree that this regime has oppressed both women and men.

All the vitriolic woman hating garbage on this thread by people who have absolutely NO CLUE what STRUCTURAL inequality means is the reason why we still need feminism.

People are afraid of identifying as feminists because their arguments get derailed by this shit that even other women have been brainwashed into believing. It's perfect. The patriarchy keeps us in our place, all by itself.

'I am interested to know, what women and men, if any, in the public eye do you admire and why?'

I quite like Jeremy Paxman, and Andrew Marr. I like talkers. I like Christina Hoff Sommers, Hillary Devey is great. I admire Lord Byron. Ditto most inventors (male and female) of stuff to make life easier. Oh and Charlie Brooker. I admire my sons. There are loads more, I'm sure, but I'm very tired now.

> Personally I think people should be able to just not give a shit

Rather lazy and ungrateful, yes?

Elquota

Not really. You seem to believe that women who don't identify as feminists shouldn't take advantage of the freedoms that feminists fought for. Forgive me but that's a crap attitude and I think women should be able to choose for themselves without having it shoved down their throats.

'You've just chucked out statements about how awful most women are, exploiting poor hard working men, especially feminists who want to neglect baby boys. I don't think it would be possible for me to disagree with you more vehemently than I do.'

Oh right, we've reached the shaming part. It usually happens when I don't back down.

'I am interested to know, how do you feel about choices that have a negative influence on others?'

I'm done answering questions as you've gone into random attack mode.

Well sorry, but you should be ashamed sigmund, some of the demonising of the female sex you've been responsible for on this thread is quite breathtaking.

Oh here we go....you didn't get the response you demanded so I should be ashamed.

I'm ashamed that I sat here trying to talk reasonably to the unreasonable AGAIN.

Your posts are making less and less sense, Sigmund.

Thanks turbo

But how did women let men get the upper hand, so to speak? Something must have happened with the dynamic of early groups that tipped the balance one way and has stuck through generations till it became ingrained in society.

at Sigmund trying to paint huself as reasonable

running. A female only construction company can start small. Like wise any of the other businesses I mentioned.

prom, if women are not made to feel welcome, start up by themselves.
Window cleaners, chimneys sweeps, van drivers and other jobs dont need much start up.

But the vast majority of females dont want to do this it seems.
Prom, ask around. And see for yourself just how many of your female acquaintances want these jobs.

turbo, there is a thread on here somewhere[unless it got deleted], where the vast majority of feminists[on that thread anyway] do indeed think that most women are as physically strong as most men. I was flabbergasted.

I didn't demand any response sigmund - but I do object to an awful lot of the comments you've made on this thread - including accusing feminists of neglecting their boys.

You seem to argue that women are somehow lesser than men - wanting to relax and take it easy on maternity leave (with no pressure to be breadwinners - oh lucky us!) oh, but that's fine because we've all got the option of fleecing our husbands in a divorce...!? That's ok then.

Yams - of course. But they'd be operating in a hugely male dominated arena. It would be doubly difficult because I imagine most companies would smirk at 'another damn woman trying to a man's job.'

People seem to think that centuries of structural inequality can be overturned just like that. And that the career choices men and women make are not at least partly driven by inherent social assumptions around gendered work. I think it's rather more complicated than some posters are making out, especially around female builders, labourers, window cleaners etc.

'Your posts are making less and less sense, Sigmund.'

The discussion kind of abruptly ended in accusations of my apparent unpleasantness. Very suddenly. Maybe that's the part that doesn't make sense. I was putting forward my reasonable thoughts when all of a sudden I'm told I loathe all women and want evil to happen to them!

I'm not suprised I'm not making sense!

I applaud PromQueen and the other feminists on this thread who have valiantly taken up our brief. I lost the stomach for it sometime ago, so I salute you.