To get annoyed when other women say "I'm not a feminist"

[Nickabilla]

As if it's a dirty word and a shameful thing to be? I hear it every now and then and always question it. Someone said it today and I'm annoyed again.

Do some women not realise that women didn't used to be allowed to go to university, get divorced, own property or vote?

Rant over.

I'm pretty confident that if I was attacked in a public place, decent men would come to my defence.

You can find examples of how utterly misplaced this confidence is almost every day in the news. Women are frequently attacked on public transport and no-one lifts a finger to help them.

I don't have the expectation that I need to be the main bread earner.

But what happens if your husband changes his expectations of who should be the main bread winner? And regardless of your expectations, if your husband chose to abandon you and refused to support you and your children you would have no choice but to be the main breadwinner, unless you live on benefits. It's terrifyingly easy for men to completely avoid paying any child maintenance by claiming self employed status and not declaring any profit for tax purposes.

Do you not see that the examples you giave of why you're 'Allright Jack' are utterly dependent on the goodwill of not just other people, but men in particular?

'sigmunde I hate to do this - I really am.

But you don't use apostrophes for plurals. '

You hate it but you'll do it anyway

I have apostrophe issues. It's genetic.

'Do you not see that the examples you giave of why you're 'Allright Jack' are utterly dependent on the goodwill of not just other people, but men in particular?'

Perhaps they're not such wankers after all, eh?

Oh come on Sigmund, I was answering your point that feminism has somehow magically skewed family courts and law. If men want to gain residency in 50% of cases then they have to put 50% of the time in, don't they? I think you are bring obtuse now.

Too true, Lapsed. Look at Nigella.

It's interesting about the whole "I can leave my dh and get custody of the children and fleece him for wads of cash" type comments made by sigmund above (I know I paraphrased) because it does show absolute confidence that her dh will cough up maintenance. And perhaps he would, I don't know him. But only 2 out of 5 fathers do pay any maintenance at all for their non-resident children (source Gingerbread).

Prom. You said "Women in 50% of powerful positions".
Are they willing to be in 50% of the non powerful positions too. Such as dirty and menial "mens" jobs?

Prom, you said your self that you dont know any women who want to be bin men or miners.

Sigmund

I just googled the quote you posted earlier and have found there are many such quotes and that they were uncovered by someone known as Agent Orange. Allegedly he infiltrated this 'Radfemhub' forum you're talking about. Many of the hundreds of posts/threads he uncovered were written by prominent feminists in positions of influence and authority.

[http://triggeralert.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/term-feminazi-no-longer-seems-like.html]

Shocking.

Refusing to support feminism because of a handful of anonymous quotes from a defunct website is laughable.

Does that mean they get to be in charge then Sigmund?

Sorry

triggeralert.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/term-feminazi-no-longer-seems-like.html

Kim.
I think it is unfair to pull someone up on their grammar.
As a teacher, you will know that adults can have problems with that. It does not stop just because a child has reached adulthood.

Dirty and menial jobs you say? How many male cleaners do you know of?

'Menial' i.e. the lowest paid jobs are overwhelmingly done by women.

'An end to the culture of violence against women. An end to violence against anyone actually.'

There isn't a culture of violence against women. Many more men are killed and attacked globally. Women are more likely to physically abuse their children than men.

'Equal access to education, contraception and safe abortion, globally'

Yes, agree. Equal outcomes of education would be good too.

'Women in 50% of powerful positions, owning half the wealth, globally.'

Why? What do women bring to the table that men don't? Not many women are happy to prioritise work over family, which is why more women aren't in powerful positions, they don't want it. Even when they're practically shoved up there FFS! Why do they have to own half the wealth? I read somewhere that the wealth owning stats aren't as they seem anyway. Women SPEND way more than men do.

'Women and men taking parental leave equally and both feeling that if they wanted to be SAHP, they could.'

Whoever earns the most, works. That's just the way it is for most. My DH earning outstrips mine by a ridiculous amount. How's that going to work for us? Not going to happen unless both earn a good whack or don't mind living on crumbs.

'Women no longer being the sex class.'

???

Morris, I could write you a very long boring list of dirty, smelly, dusty jobs that most women wouldnt touch.
I will write it if I really must.

Come late to this but had to give my tuppence worth.

people who don't understand what Feminism is and the divides that exist within Feminism are not dim.
it is hard to define and even though I understand a little I would never have called myself a feminist because I don't always agree with what some other person who was a feminist might say. So one would assume under these circumstances that they weren't a feminist.
Add to this the portrayal that Feminists are some militant hardcore tattooed skin head lesbians, I'm not surprised some people don't think they are feminists.
I taught a little bit about feminism to an A level sociology group, so these are the group of young people who will know differently hopefully. It was amazing what they admitted to believing what defined feminism.
So there are probably many feminists out there who don't know it yet, perhaps it is a good idea to teach feminism to all children, and let them make their own minds up.

Yy lapsed I'd rather empty bins than wipe arses, meself.

'If men want to gain residency in 50% of cases then they have to put 50% of the time in, don't they?'

Refer to my above comment. How can you put in 50% care AND earn the most. Unworkable, unfair, unrealistic.

"Dirty and menial jobs you say? How many male cleaners do you know of?"

Or care workers. Low paid, the vast majority are female. Not to be too blunt about it but they do deal with shit and piss as part of their job.

And actually, that is my reason about feminists.
That obvious things to me have to be pointed out.
Such as the most men are stronger than most women.
I find it tedious, and cant be bothered to point out and explain what to me are basics of life.

But does anyone need to earn 'the most'? My point is, it's childcare that means men's earnings outstrip women. If childcare becomes more equal, so will earnings.

But sigmund - who says men have to earn the most? Why can't women have the top earning jobs as well?

You don't think intelligence and aptitude are handed out along with a penis do you?