To think its not normal to be able to suck air into your vagina and then fart it out?

[VivaLeBeaver]

Dd can do this on demand. Not that I demand she does it but she thinks its hysterical.

And it's not just a little fanjo parp. It's like a trumpet which just keeps going and going. She's trying to play tunes now. Dh thinks she will be able to make a career out of it.

I've told her she'll knacker her pelvic floor.

[Sheshelob]

I'm with thebody on this point.

We're at peace, now. Don't start it up again. Let's just let the thread peter out.

I'm not sure my pelvic floor could take another 11 pages on my high horse. And I seem to have misplaced by boxing gloves...

[TheRealFellatio]

I am not sure it is quite so normal and healthy to be hang-up free about your genitals at 12 is it? I'd say it's the opposite of normal actually.

Without wishing to assume or imply anything about the OP or her daughter, (honestly) this lack of 'hang ups' and this quite startling openness and lack of embarrassment and modesty is more akin to that of a three year old, and might easily be construed by some as a lack of boundaries and a worrying degree of immaturity. Oh I don't know - maybe that's just me? am I over-thinking it?

My children are older older than twelve and I cannot imagine a them wanting to share something like this with us beyond around 7 or 8, if that. For most 12 year old girls this would only be something they shared with their parents in their worst and most humiliating nightmares.

OP I imagine you have been hugely upset by the way this has turned out and I am sorry it has backfired so badly for you. I am sure you meant no harm, but just stop and think it through for a moment and maybe ask for the thread to be deleted. I hope you're ok.

[Spottyblancmange]

Regardless of your opinion either way on the thread... It's certainly shown that despite the huge denials whenever it's said generally, long term recognisable posters do get treated differently from posters who aren't as recognisable (whether because they are new, or name change, or just aren't as memorable.). It's actually very refreshing to see it admitted, credit to the people who did.

[Montybojangles]

I think the op is a midwife, fanjos are probably a major topic of conversation at her home and seen (not literally) in a very functional way.

[Montybojangles]

I certainly wasn't trying to drag anything on, or restart a debate. I work long shifts and this am was the first time I came back to MN in 3 days and felt I needed to comment. TheRealFellatio posted this morning before me, so it was still in action as far as I could see.

[Montybojangles]

everlong the bullying part of my post was in reference to the post advising me that boys may have bullied me if I was able to fanjo toot as a twelve year old, nothing to do with any posting in here.

[notafan0fy00]

This thread is just wrong on all kinds of levels - the original post (however innocently meant), the replies, the giant scrap it turned into. I wish they'd pull it!

[MoominsYonisAreScary]

I could do this as a teenager, I wouldn't have talked to anyone about it especially not my dad.

I don't think the other kids at school would would just find it a funny thing that she can do, they'd take the piss and shed probably be stuck with some god awful fanny farting nick name that followed her around until she left.

Tbh I'd tell her to keep it to the privacy of her own room.

[notafan0fy00]

Also agree with Spottyblancmange - it's VERY interesting that it took until page 3 or 4 for someone to say 'Is it just me that finds this distasteful?' and then suddenly loads of people agree. Nobody was prepared to say anything before then as it was a known OP. If it was someone else, they'd have been shat on from the word go.

[HelenMumsnet]

Morning. And thanks to those of you who've reported this thread to us.

We hear what some of you are saying about this thread being in bad taste but we don't generally delete on grounds of bad taste. Everyone has such different 'bad taste' thresholds, it's almost impossible to know where to draw the line.

We can see that some folks are saying that the fact that the OP is a well-known user has/will influence our decisions here. And, yes, that's true - to a certain extent.

The fact that the OP's been on Mumsnet for a number of years and has a perfectly normal posting history (ie she's clearly not some weirdy, pervy troll) is very relevant.

We don't think this is favouritism; just common sense.

[xylem8]

I think this thread may attract people reading it for the wrong reasons, and if brought to media attention, certainly sends out the wrong sort of message for a parenting website with regards to protection and respect for children.

[LEMisdisappointed]

I certainly don't think its a case of favouritism that Viva has been treated differently on this thread. I certainly held back on comments as because it is someone i trust as a poster, it was just the subject matter and the appropriateness that I called into question.

1. She didn't name change because she didn't think it wa inappropriate, has nothing to hide etc. If it was a new poster i would have been suspicious that the thread was started just to goad, i don't think that is the case i think it was just poorly judged. I would really hope that viva doesn't feel she can't post on here.

[Spottyblancmange]

If by some folks you include me MNHQ you've interpreted me wrong, it wasn't a dig at you about favouritism, I just meant the other posters reactions, where it was admitted some hadn't said anything because it was a well loved poster.

It's not a bad thing, it happens on every single forum on the internet I'd imagine. It's just unusual to see it admitted here, normally everyone insists they react the same regardless and it's herecy to say they don't. Which I'm sure some people do, but I'm equally sure some people don't.

[ICBINEG]

wow.

I don't get the outrage.

A 12 yo has found an unusual talent and is confident enough in the love and respect of her mother to tell her about it.

The mother doesn't think it is weird to discuss online precisely BECAUSE she doesn't think of her own daughter in a sexualised way.

The vast VAST majority of the comments that could be interpreted in ANY sexualised way have been made by people saying the thread should be pulled for sexualizing a child.

OR YOU COULD HAVE JUST STFU AND LET IT BE A FUN THREAD ABOUT A CHILD.

[TheRealFellatio]

I don't think we have been sexualising a child, I think are showing concern that anyone who did want to sexualise a child would be having a field day off the back of this thread.

Besides, the transition from the physical state of childhood to adulthood is not a like a lightswitch that you flick they day a person turns 16. It's a much more subtle, gradual and complicated thing than that. If I were this girl's mother I'd be saying 'that's very entertaining darling but you are almost a teenager now, and it's probably not a good idea to be doing this in front of people. Including us. For all sorts of reasons.'

If some people are sexualising her, then others are definitely infantalising her. She's 12 FFS, not four!

Some of you may only have very young children and you cannot envisage a time when they are any different than they are now, and while this girl is still a child of course, she is of an age where she needs to start to learn about the transition through puberty to womanhood, and behave appropriately. I'm sure none of you would tolerate a 12 year old boy wandering around the house trouserless and constantly pulling at his willy in front of you, in the way that you might accept in a toddler, or saying 'Mum! Dad! Look how I can make my erection go up and down in time to the music' so I don't see how this is much different really.

[xylem8]

what sort of a parenting website carries a thread like this?

[ICBINEG]

hmm well I think the fact that people can't talk about air going in and out of a vagina without it being a Thing is part of the problem with attitudes to sex in the UK.

You know which countries have the lowest rates of rape, sexual violence against men, women, and children etc etc?

The countries that have the most open, no holds barred, no censorship approach to sex education, porn, and discussion of sex, and bits of the body involved in sex.

It's okay to talk about arse farting but not fanjo farting? Ridiculous.

[Gruntfuttock]

This is from the OP:-

"She's trying to play tunes now. Dh thinks she will be able to make a career out of it."

You think that's fine, ICBINEG?

[nemno]

I read the OP fairly early on and was amused. So much so that I nearly turned round to my husband to ask if he knew what a queef was. But I didn't because it seemed all wrong to explain to an adult male that this woman on MN was telling us about her 12yr old and the mechanics of how she does it. So I get that the OP was amused and wanted to share but it was ill judged.

[Montybojangles]

Seriously?
Do you not think he might have said the same thing if his daughter could arse fart the national anthem, or Drink milk and then squirt it from her eye (some people can do this).
The op thought it was an unusual thing her daughter could do. And pretty impressive.
Good post ICBINEG

[nemno]

Gosh, does this make me repressed? I don't think I am. I have boys with whom I have a fabulously frank relationship. I just didn't want to discuss a 12 YO's vagina antics with my husband. I think if I had a daughter then yes I could talk to my DH about hers.

[Feminine]

I'm still shocked that the DD wasn't too mortified to share.

At that age they have basically the same vagina as a grown woman. Why has she no modesty?

All this 'sharing' we do these days will someday backfire.