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Want to take petty obnoxious revenge on child-unfriendly cafe. suggestions?

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PrincessTeacake · 21/06/2013 20:00

Before I lay it all out, I am a person that gets frustrated when small children act up in cafes with no interference. I sympathise with the staff who clean up after messy child patrons and if my two make a mess, I usually clean most of it up myself. Today's cafe however had no recourse for their behaviour.

Myself and two mums (I'm a nanny) were at a toddler group this morning, our bunch are very good friends and wanted to play together after the playgroup was finished. We agreed to bring them to a playground nearby but since it was just about lunchtime, we wanted to feed them first an this cafe (we'll call it BC) was between both places.

There were three adults and seven children, ages between 2 and 4, and the staff firstly gave us no assistance in getting our group seated. No high chair was offered for the very small just-turned-2 year old, I found it later in the bathroom. The children's menu was farcical, everything came with chips and although mashed potato was on the menu you couldn't substitute it for the chips without paying extra. My lone vegetarian option was pretty rank too but beside the point. I ordered 3 orange juices for me and my twin mindees, we got tap water and a thimble of squash in it.

The kids were sitting nicely but got a little high spirited in each other's company, started singing. I was mid-drink and about to stop them but the waitress jumped in before them, shushed them quite aggressively and told them they'd have to leave if they didn't be quiet. The older kids clammed up but one of the younger ones got upset and started crying.

They gave us the bums rush from start to finish. My two only left the table to use the bathroom with me in attendance and we were mostly engaged in a quiet game of I spy with one of the older girls. The waitresses kept butting in to clear the kids still mostly full plates and sweeping under and around our table which, honestly, wasmessy but not that bad. Finally the two mothers got fed up and left. I stuck around to finish my crappy salad, and when they asked me if my mindee was finished, I was sufficiently curt with her that they backed off.

In the meantime, the manager had gone outside to talk to the mums, and he told them that three people had walked out and said they wouldn't be back because of the kids. Even if that was true, and I saw nobody leave except the mums, It was a gross overreaction to an admittedly large group of small kids.

To put this in perspective, I had the twins at Yo Sushi the week before (to see the 'food train') where the waitresses were so impressed by their willingness to try yakitori, edemame and eating with chopsticks that they were over every few minutes praising them and gave them free desserts. I take them to loads of eateries and I've never been treated with such contempt.

So, revenge? I'm thinking of taking the mindees there every day after playschool and only ordering tap water and tea. Which we will nurse for three hours while quietly doing a jigsaw on the table.

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theodorakisses · 22/06/2013 16:47

As many on mn will attest, I am not a tolerant or child orientated person but I am struggling with this one. I think people should be able to take children to a cafe, it isn't a pole dancing club or library, just a cafe.

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5Foot5 · 22/06/2013 17:33

I think people should be able to take children to a cafe, it isn't a pole dancing club or library, just a cafe.

Well I agree with that and we took DD to restaurants from before she was 2 with no problems. But she was always well behaved (yes I suppose I am a smog!) and, the crucial point her I think, it was one child with one or two adults.

I think there is quite a bit of difference between taking one or two kids somewhere and turning up with seven of them.

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zoraqueenofzeep · 22/06/2013 18:51

I would walk out if three adults came in with seven young children, especially if those children were singing. Why are you doubting the managers claims that people left because of your group? Just because you were oblivious to the irritation caused to others doesn't mean it didn't happen, it sounds quite likely given the circumstances and their attitude toward you suggests that you were equally oblivious to the childrens behaviour which forced the staff to intervene.

If you want to be treated with respect then you have to have respect for others, be considerate and mindful of how your behaviour and that of the children with you is affecting others.

yabvvvu.

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sameoldIggi · 22/06/2013 19:13

Why would the people who supposedly left have added that they would not be back? do they imagine you will go there with 7 children every day? Weird.
They weren't nice to you when you arrived, so the rudeness wasn't based on how your kids behaved.
Had a lovely staff member in Burger King today stop me from picking the food dropped on the floor from my baby's highchair. She then kissed his toes.
Not expecting toe kissing from every cafe, but it was a nice touch!

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Solari · 22/06/2013 21:43

Grin at 'witty nappy' . I was trying to figure out what that meant before I saw the correction - had visions of a clever note or poem written on the nappy.

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PrincessTeacake · 22/06/2013 22:01

I'll say it again, the kids weren't being badly behaved. They were sitting nicely, they weren't running around and they were making impressively little mess for a set of toddlers. The singing wasn't even loud enough to drown out the lady who was loud pensionering about her recent medical procedure in grim detail. They only got as far as 'gently down the stream'.

Maybe I should teach them surfing bird for future rude cafe encounters? And Solari, thanks for the tip, aa few sarky jibes written on a nappy could be brilliant. Leave it with me....

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PrincessTeacake · 22/06/2013 22:07

Okay, got one, please help me out if you can:

There once was a cafe called *@ams,
Who cringed at the sight of our prams
We were all stunned
When our toddlers they shunned
And also the food was....pure shite.

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WentOnABearHunt · 22/06/2013 22:09

in a cafe, at lunch time, people with children, and children - who are also people, are just as entitled to be there as other people.

If I am ever out and hear kids making noise, playing up etc I am just thankful its not mine that's doing it. :) Frankly I am sick of getting evil looks form people if my children dare make a sound in a cafe! And bloody hell... singing.... how very dare that child be happy and having a nice time, they should sit and be seen and not heard!! I would rather listen to singing than a child screaming.

Other people are annoying, with their loud conversations, and phones ringing and laughing and sometimes coughing and sneezing too. Bah. If people cant tolerate other people in a public place maybe they should have a sandwich and a coffee at home instead.

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rockybalboa · 22/06/2013 22:16

Never mind the cafe, I need more info about the cat in the bar..

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Viviennemary · 22/06/2013 22:22

If it was awful then what is the point in going back. A lot of people go to cafes for a quiet drink and to read and don't want to listen to children singing and playing I-spy. I make a sharp exit when there are noisy children.

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PrincessTeacake · 22/06/2013 22:23

Its not that interesting, I was moving house and my dad had gone ahead with my stuff, so all Ihad to take with me was my handbag and tthe cat. Then I missed jy bus, had to wait two hours for the next one so I went to a nearby bar to wait and of course took the mog with me. The waitress gave her some leftover salmon.

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mrsfuzzy · 22/06/2013 22:29

quite simple do go there again op, forget the'revenge' thing because that's plain daft and remember some people don't like kids full stop let alone toddlers.

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ChewingOnLifesGristle · 22/06/2013 22:46

There's another side to this for sure.

Three people didn't walk out for no reason.

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TraceyTrickster · 23/06/2013 00:04

Some places are just not child friendly. When my dd was 6 months old, we were on holiday in UK.
We went to a Bella Pasta with friends, DD started to whine, DH got up to put her in her buggy and take her for a walk.
4 older drunk women (with their 20 something daughters) yelled at me for ruining their evening and told me to 'fuck off and don't bring your kid out until she is grown up'. They were obnoxious. The manager said nothing, but just watched. However the grown up daughters apologised for their loud obnoxious drunk mothers.
After that I could not face eating out...so we took takeaways to our hotel room.

Sadly I do find many places in UK- especially London- hate small children, and regard you as a scourge. Still we now pump far less into UK economy that we ever did, with that being one of several unwelcome encounters (no breastfeeding in here type things)

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SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 23/06/2013 08:36

Revenge?

They were rude but seriously? Revenge? Isn't never going back and complaining to people enough 'revenge?'

Grow up FFS.

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xylem8 · 23/06/2013 09:30

YABU
There is a huge difference between an adult taking 1 or 2 kids into a café and a group of 7 toddlers, playing games, singing, making poo jokes and hell of a food mess under the table.They didn't like you, you didnt like them.Get over it and move on!

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arabesque · 23/06/2013 11:39

Sorry, but if several people walked out while you were there then your group must have been making an unreasonable level of noise.So on that count YABU.

The food being crap and refusing to substitute mash for chips without charging is a separate issue and I would find that very annoying.

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ICantRememberWhatSheSaid · 23/06/2013 11:49

The cafe were rude but I find it hard to believe that the toddlers were not singing loudly. I didn't think toddlers were capable of. 'quiet' singing. Confused

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Chandon · 23/06/2013 13:07

If 7 toddlers walked into a caf where I was having lunch I would think "oh sugar!" And instead of ordering coffee I'd leave! Bound to get noisy and turn any place into a playgroup area, also tots with their "thimble of squash" are hardly great customers, are they?

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notso · 23/06/2013 13:29

I would have left on reading the shite childrens menu I think.

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Emilythornesbff · 23/06/2013 15:39

Rage.
Just don't go back. Is it a chain? I missed that if you've already answered. I'd do as someone else suggested and e mail head office if it is.

I feel increasingly frustrated at the segregation of children in our country. It seems parents or carers are often expected to consider only going to "child friendly" eateries. Places where the food might be crap, the decor unpleasant and everyone there has a few toddlers in tow.
Children are just people. The idea that they should only be able to be seen in designated places is a bit ridiculous (ok, i'll draw the line at nightclubs and places where everyone's pissed or stoned).
So, some people don't like being in a cafe where there are children. Ffs. Get over yourselves. Or just hang out in strip clubs.
What if i don't want to eat my lunch in the same restaurant as a bunch of unattractive people or ppl with the "wrong" accent?

So. I have no vengeful ideas (maybe watch reruns of "Revenge" for tips) but i hear you. Very annoying.

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Cornishpasty2 · 23/06/2013 15:44

Was in a pub a few weeks ago at 8.30pm, a large party of diners were letting two kids roll round the floor - I was hughely irritated by this, but a cafe?? With a children's menu? They should maybe stop doing children's menus and put a sign on the door saying adults only, then people will assume it's an x-rated cafe, lol.

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Emilythornesbff · 23/06/2013 15:45

You know who makes mess and noise?
The group of adults with severe learning disabilities that my friend looks after.
Should they not be able to go out like the rest of us? Or just to designated areas so no one has their prissy little self important afternoon coffee spoiled by their presence.n

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ArtemisatBrauron · 23/06/2013 15:57

Sorry but if I was in a cafe and a massive group of toddlers and their mums/nannies came in and they all started singing etc I'd have the rage. I don't go to a cafe and expect it to turn into a daycare centre.

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Floggingmolly · 23/06/2013 16:13

You think a children's menu would have made kids rolling on the floor acceptable, Cornishpasty? A children's menu means just that ;
they provide child size portions (and possibly make high chairs available), it doesn't make a cafe the equivalent of a soft play centre.

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