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to think homeopaths really just make money out of the gullible?

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WidowWadman · 08/06/2013 20:59

A remedy made from diluted bits of the Berlin Wall - seriously, that's surely just a test to find out how far they can push it, isn't?

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saintlyjimjams · 14/06/2013 16:30

Hm I think you've missed my point curlew. It's like anything. I certainly did negotiate with ds1s doctor about MRI's! And last time I was given antibiotics I shoved them in a cupboard and didn't take them.

The only time I have been given a remedy by GP it was rhus tox for a cough. She didn't have to give that to me, she could have listened to my chest and said I didn't need antibiotics, I would have accepted that. She gave me rhus tox which I chose to take, but I didn't have to. I don't think on the whole GP's prescribe remedies instead of medicine, but rather when medicine has nothing to offer.

TimeofChange · 14/06/2013 16:33

Saintly: you have an amazing patience and determination to carry on posting on this thread.
I admire you and your writing skills -mine are sadly lacking.

30 - 40 years ago there were campaigns against certain E numbers in foods. The campaigners were ridiculed.

Turns out the campaigners were right.

I think a member of the Anti Nazi League would get less abuse at an EDL or BNP meeting than pro HP posters get on MN.

TheBigJessie · 14/06/2013 16:34

LaQueen Hmm, I think it would be more within your sphere if you designed me an imposing stable building in faux-gothic style, because you've probably read a book with such a building described in it.

We wouldn't want to go too far in our polymathic presumptions of graduates' abilities! I'm going to get a pure mathematician to make a hash out of install the heating system.

curlew · 14/06/2013 16:36

"I think a member of the Anti Nazi League would get less abuse at an EDL or BNP meeting than pro HP posters get on MN."

You do realise this is an incredibly offensive thing to say, don't you?

LaQueen · 14/06/2013 16:38

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saintlyjimjams · 14/06/2013 16:42

Lol timeofchange I just feel rather sorry for my poor old homeopath who has helped us out enormously over the years with a child who has a condition that medicine can currently do nothing for. Wink A few other alternative types have helped as well (I call them my quacks, and thank god they exist) but they never seem to have quite so much abuse levelled at them as the poor old homeopath.

And I even have a science PhD. Shock

TheBigJessie · 14/06/2013 16:43

Hah! My mathematician is better than your mathematician! Mine did our last flat-pack bookcase much to my disgust, as flat-pack furniture is one of my hobbies, and I'd been looking forward to it

Spero · 14/06/2013 16:43

'Whats not to like?'

People dying because of dangerous charlatans who profit from their desperation and stupidity.

I don't like that.

saintlyjimjams · 14/06/2013 16:45

People dying because of charlatans?

Dying? From sugar and water as everyone keeps pointing out.

Some people chose not to have treatment - that is their choice. People are allowed to make 'bad' decisions. It is sometimes even seen by consultants as a valid choice.

LaQueen · 14/06/2013 16:50

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claig · 14/06/2013 16:55

How many people eschew conventioanl medicine for serious conditions?

Most people use alternative medicine as a complementary medicine, or for non serious conditions, or only when all else has failed.

saintlyjimjams used it to successfully get rid of verruccas that all other conventional techniques had been unable to shift for 20 years.

TimeofChange · 14/06/2013 16:59

Curlew: No, I don't think what I wrote was offensive, but I apologise to those that took offence.

I do think the following are offensive though:
bollocks
blatant dishonesty
utter crap
total rubbish
your attitude is astonishingly ignorant
fuckwit
thick.

LaQueen: I am a spiritual person, but have absolutely no illusions of being superior to you or anyone else.

I have no idea where you have got your ideas from and won't bother trying to belittle you with sarcasm.
But just to upset you further I do hands on healing, distance healing, use crystals ohh and best of all I do it all for free.

Spero · 14/06/2013 17:00

I have done a lot of reading since my cancer diagnosis. I will find and post what Ben Goldacre blogged about re people dying from cancer because homeopaths had convinced them 'Big Pharma' could not be trusted.

It isn't just sugar water and harmless old hippies floating about being all sweet and treating you for free. That's naive.

claig · 14/06/2013 17:02

"I do think the following are offensive though:
bollocks
blatant dishonesty
utter crap
total rubbish
your attitude is astonishingly ignorant
fuckwit
thick."

TimeofChange, I don't think it is fair to take every other word in sequence from one of SGB's posts. I think SGB is entitled to her opinions, however forthright! Wink

Spero · 14/06/2013 17:02

I got rid of my daughters verrucas in five days with some extra strength bazooka. So what's your point claig?

Spero · 14/06/2013 17:05

O and by the way if you are desperate and scared you may not be exercising your free will that rationally. That's what these people exploit, others desperation.

TheBigJessie · 14/06/2013 17:07

TimeofChange yes, of course comparing your opposition to the BNPand yourself to a member of the Anti-Nazi League is offensive... But perhaps some form of martyrish Godwinism was inevitable, considering this thread originated in a discussion of the Berlin Wall remedy...

LaQueen
It gives them a little filip of self importance, to assert skeptisim, and claim superior knowledge over people who are hugely better educated, more qualified, better researched and more professionally regarded than they could ever be...

All those years, sat in the back of the classroom, with 75% of the lessons winging over their heads...grinding their teeth with resentment at the clever kids at the front, understanding, answering the questions, passing the exams...going on to spend years and years at university to become nurses, doctors, surgeons, biologists, chemists, pharmacists.

I think that's an over-simplification. You'll find just as many "clever" people with degrees it took years to study for, but who seem unable to see that degree-level knowledge in one area doesn't make one qualified to pontificate on another area at degree-level or post-degree area. See: Cherie Booth, who has been mooted as a role model.

TimeofChange · 14/06/2013 17:07

Claig: only two words were from SGB

BOF · 14/06/2013 17:08

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Crumbledwalnuts · 14/06/2013 17:08

Ellie, what's the matter with you. I've clearly got under your skin and your posts don't make any sense at all. Is it possible for you to stop being offensive and rude or not possible? Whatever is the matter?

TheBigJessie · 14/06/2013 17:09

And thanks to BOF for articulating the emotions of all posters in the thread so far.

claig · 14/06/2013 17:09

Some people have scoffed at Cherie Blair and her belief in homeopathy, which I think is unfair. She can't help being New Labour!

But I defy anyone to scoff at Her Majesty!

"ONE?S OWN CORGI CURES

For her extended foreign tours, the Queen?s luggage can weigh more than four tons ? and that includes 60 vials of homeopathic medicines, carried in a special leather case, without which she won?t travel anywhere

She is a firm believer in alternative remedies, preferring them to conventional medicine.

She has even been known to treat one of her corgis homeopathically after the animal cut its foot.

She bathed the wound in a special ointment and the injured paw was healed within days. When she was asked why she used the treatment, she replied: ?If it?s good enough for me, it should be good enough for my dogs.?

Packets of vitamins, cold cures and treatments for every sort of ailment ? from Montezuma?s Revenge to arthritis of the knees ? are all packed.

There?s even a special little electro-magnetic gadget for massaging the aching shoulders or wrists of the woman who was once said to ?shake hands for a living?.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149647/So-does-Queen-sneeze-public-Mail-light-heated-look-Her-Majestys-little-secrets.html

TheBigJessie · 14/06/2013 17:10

Not only do I scoff, I have a special name for her eldest son and heir, which I stole off the internet Quacktitioner Royal

LaQueen · 14/06/2013 17:10

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