to think homeopaths really just make money out of the gullible?

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A remedy made from diluted bits of the Berlin Wall - seriously, that's surely just a test to find out how far they can push it, isn't?

Thanks claig. I've only watched 10 minutes and haven't laughed as much in ages. I will save the rest as a treat for tomorrow.

RationalThought, are you sure you are understanding it correctly. I don't think it is meant to be a comedy!

I don't think there is anything to be done though.

People are stupid.

Homoeopathy is the latest version of snake oil.

Darwin was right you know.

I think the comment about Rachel in the guardian article was correct
Becoming scientist would be hard work - she stumbled upon something that would pay her well for a load of bollocks
If homeopathy works we are all in the shit - if our water has a memory of everything that has passed through it we are drinking crap, blood, all sorts of disease and god knows what else, bits of rat

Does the water evaporate on the sugar pills or does it kind of dissolve into the sugar and therefore pick up the memory of the sugar? I've been wondering about this before.

Claig- are you sure it's not meant to be a comedy?

Katy I genuinely can't work out if your post is ironic or an actual defence of homeopathy.

You had a medical condition so serious it required surgery, yet it was the homeopathic treatment that expedited your recovery ? No credit given to the skills of the surgeons and the theatre nurses, the sterile conditions and instruments, the diagnostic tools that enabled the HCPs to figure out what was wrong ?

You were not tempted to drink water imprinted with the memory of a heart rather than undergoing all that inconvenient surgery ?

It's possible that if Katy did avoid strong painkillers that she felt more alert after the surgery.
We need more details.

I remember feeling unexpectedly great after major surgery - I wasn't aware they'd given me a morphine suppository!

I can't remember who posted the KST chiropractic video upthread but omg I just watched loads. That little nail gun thingy! The hand waving around the head to diagnose points of tension in the back!

People are bonkers.

Then I had major surgery and used only homeopathy afterwards as I have an allergy to all painkillers bar one and was up and about as normal after two days

I had surgery for an ectopic years ago. When I came round from the anaesthetic, they gave me painkillers (up my bottom!) as a matter of routine, but I refused anything further because I didn't need them. I was also up and walking within a day. I certainly didn't use homeopathy.

Human beings are very resilient, especially when we're young.

And for those saying, "Well, water is mysterious and we don't know everything" - it's not that mysterious, not to a fully qualified chemist. And an awful lot of experiments have been done on homeopathy which have shown, again and again, that it doesn't work. Certinly not beyond the placebo effect.

Being "open minded" shouldn't mean giving credence to absolute rubbish. That's called being gullible.

certainly

Homeopaths will be claiming endorphins next.......

Absolutely. Being open-minded is one thing; allowing your brains to spill out is quite another.

It's the details about HP that can quite annoy me too.
So, there are aqueous homeopathic dilutions of elemental sulfur available. Really? How? I have made growth medium for sulfur-metabolizing microbes before and sulfur is practically insoluble in water, even to disperse it fairly evenly is almost impossible. How do HP manufacturers manage to do something that I and as far as I know every other microbiologist who has tried have failed to do?
I know this is minor in the grand scheme of the argument but it bugs me.

Crumbled. No worries - my user name seems to be easily mixed up with others. It's happened before!

"Allowing your brains to spill out....." . That's good, I am going to use that :)

Is that guy taking the piss with his activated water? There's just another chemical agent in it that's changed the structure of the ink so it doesn't reflect blue light anymore.
Could be in there quite innocently. Did he say ceramic pipes? Some calcium salts could have got into that water.....they'd change the ink colour.

Shitting hell. Aaaaaarrrgggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Crumbledwalnuts You can post news article after news article about the fuck ups of the NHS/medical profession. Of course, with the amount of patients seen each day/operated on each day, there will be errors. There shouldn't be, but there will be! But still, the medical profession is not claiming to be anything it isn't in most circumstances.

To counteract this, have you read on here, stories from at least 2 posters who were left with life long breathing issues because their parents tried to fix/treat their asthma with homoeopathy?

My friend doesn't vaccinate, she believes that major illnesses can be warded off with good hygiene & homoeopathy. Before her son was 2, she almost lost him due to sever dehydration due to whooping cough. Then again, he was severely dehydrated due to rota virus (we vax for that here). Hospitalised for a few days either time. Still, she thinks homoeopathy is the answer.

Being too open-minded allows anyone to dump a load of old rubbish in

I'd bet big, big money that the moment your life is threatened or you're seriously ill, it is modern medicine you'll rely on. This is always the case with "big pharma" conspiracy theorists

Oh yes, my friend was happy for modern medicine to bring her son back from severe dehydration, twice. But she will shun modern remedies that could have prevented it getting that bad in the first place.

LOL at your Daily Mail link Claig
"Homeopathy works, says researchers." Willing to bet my left arm that the researchers did not include a broad range of medical professionals. It lacks major credibility.

Although, the DM did carry this story today (which is actually worth reading), as a result of which, I've just signed up with The Nightingale Collaboration

Gosh, think I have just become an anti-woo activist!

Sorry, only made it to page 3 so if this has already been posed, excuse my laziness.

But if it hasn't, this sums up everything I think about homeopathy.

I didn't take any painkillers after my lumpectomy - the hospital loaded me down with loads of great stuff to take home. I just didn't feel any pain, so I didn't have anything.

This is nothing to do with homeopathy, which I detest and deride. I just didn't need any painkillers. our bodies react differently. I do agree there is a considerable link between mind and body. Maybe if I had expected and/or feared pain I would have felt more.

Gracelo wrote:
"It's the details about HP that can quite annoy me too.
So, there are aqueous homeopathic dilutions of elemental sulfur available. Really? How? I have made growth medium for sulfur-metabolizing microbes before and sulfur is practically insoluble in water, even to disperse it fairly evenly is almost impossible. How do HP manufacturers manage to do something that I and as far as I know every other microbiologist who has tried have failed to do?
I know this is minor in the grand scheme of the argument but it bugs me."
I used to work in an ultra clean laboratory, where we had to be incredibly vigilant about possible contamination. If homeopathy works the way it's supposed too they would need the same level of cleanliness and anti contamination protocols. I haven't seen any evidence this is the case.
Cheers.