to think homeopaths really just make money out of the gullible?

[WidowWadman]

A remedy made from diluted bits of the Berlin Wall - seriously, that's surely just a test to find out how far they can push it, isn't?

Reading this thread is making me seriously consider going into business peddling alternative therapies. There are a lot of potential customers around it seems.

Personally I'll stick to proven medicine for myself and my family though.

Does the water retain the memory of the diluted elements that were in it?

If so, isn't it a bit like a vaccine?

No and no.

Is it just water or is it water plus memory?

Ha, Anne.
Turn yer taps on, luv!

Water doesn't have memory.

www.newscientist.com/article/dn3817-icy-claim-that-water-has-memory.html

Homeopathy contains all the ingredients of expensive urine.

minou - I'm eyeing up my jam jars as we speak!

This is interesting, but is ten years old, and I can't find any sign that this Rey guy has managed to reproduce it.
Let's say it's at a quantum level, then, and a compound that causes, say, stomach pain, gives water a particular kind of memory.....why would this memory cure stomach pain?

The memory/vibration/whatever in the water is vanishingly unlikely to bear any resemblance to the chemical pathways that cause the illnesses that can lead to stomach pain, or to the chemical pathways that can make them go away.

Jam jars! Balls to that! Sell 'em a thimbleful a go!

That experiment has not been reproduced, and shares many of the flaws of the original.

"why would this memory cure stomach pain?"

I don't know. But I do know that water is a magic substance that scientists haven't even got near to really understanding.

Have you not watched that amazing Russian documentary on water and how even holy water seems to have an effect?

There are thousands of mysteries that still remain to be discovered. Water is an amazing substance and there is still much to understand about it.

I don't know if homeopathy works or not, but I won't dismiss it until we know much more.

Thanks for the link to the Guardian article. The photographer is a McBurney as am I. There aren't too many of us around. I wonder if she's related?

Water is an amazing substance, you're right!
But....I think we've had a good go at homeopathy.

Also, sticking with the quantum level idea....I notice that homeopathic remedies are taken at the same sort of intervals as regular meds. Meds with predictable, measurable half lives, peak serum concentrations and so on.
How come this tiny, teeny, quantum energy memory thingie keeps the same schedule? Why can't you just take one pill and be memory-ised forever? Or for, say, until all the cells you had at the time of dosage had been seen off by apoptosis?

"Why can't you just take one pill and be memory-ised forever?"

For the same reason that you don't take antibiotics just once but have a course of tablets over several days, because it is an accumulation effect.

Yes, Claig, but I've been drinking water for over 40 years. Every day!

That water has passed through people with all diseases known to humankind. It has touched every herb and mineral.

I must, therefore, be immune to all diseases, known and unknown.

But what I'm trying to get at as well is why the time scale of this quantum jobbie is the same as conventional meds. Our conventional medicines are delivered at the intervals they are because we want to strike a balance between optimum therapeutic levels, their half lives, and not knacking our livers.
The amount if water (forget about the compound) in an hp pill is mega-minute....just how many if the buggers do we need? Why are we not given them via a drip? Or just I e mega dose?

Sorry, I missed out half of what I wanted to say there!!!
Why is our macro timescale used on what is a micro or even nano phenomenon?

"But what I'm trying to get at as well is why the time scale of this quantum jobbie is the same as conventional meds."

But it doesn't have to be. I presume that the initiators did it this way. It doesn't mean that it may not work if they used a different schedule and time scale.

But these hp doctors are claiming to get amazing results from this timescale....no-one's ever tried readjusting the intervals? To improve results?
It just seems too much of a coincidence.

I don't know enough about it or what the HP doctors claim.

All I am saying is that I don't rule out that there might be something in it.

I am sceptical about it, or at least I was. Then I had major surgery and used only homeopathy afterwards as I have an allergy to all painkillers bar one and was up and about as normal after two days.

Ok, fair enough.
Right, well, nice setting the world to rights!
Ladies, I am away to me nest! Goodnight.