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To wonder why on earth Troops to Teachers is considered to be a great idea?

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ballinacup · 07/06/2013 08:53

Before we start, I'm not armed forces bashing, I'm sure there are some troops out there who would make excellent teachers. But why on earth offer a fast track course to troops without a degree?!

It seems like sheer madness, why not offer the fast track course to anyone? Am I missing some glaringly obvious fact that makes it all make sense? Or has Gove got a vision in his head of classrooms running with military precision if he has soldiers at the helm?

Can someone please explain it to me, because I'm genuinely puzzled.

OP posts:
LilacSpunkMonkey · 04/04/2016 21:40

Why have you bumped a thread from almost two years ago???

ZOMBIE THREAD
ZOMBIE THREAD
ZOMBiE THREAD

For anyone else posting.

Thaddeus667 · 04/04/2016 22:33

So, a few points on some of the posts above.

I'm a soldier, I trained as a teacher when my fulltime regular Army career was coming to an end but was put off and rejoined.

I had a firm offer of employment but turned it down after a short whilast e because I was always looked upon as the person who they'd go to if they had a discipline problem and got a tad fed up with some of the people I worked with who didn't have the first idea how to manage people.

Did I ever have a problem with the discipline of my kids? No? Why? Don't know? Was I ever aggressive or harsh in my treatment? No. Did I get on with my kids? Fantastically! Just like soldiers, but smaller (and without the guns)

So some of us don't have a degree, so what? Does that stop us from delivering structured education? Probably not. We may have to put in the extra effort to gain the knowledge in the subject we're teaching but you'd probably be surprised what a service person could pull out of a bag if you asked them.

So a subject can be learned from books or by research and with a bit of effort or by using a bit of classroom participation (have we forgotten how to do this now in a prescribed syllabus) can we actually teach and get the students to help in their own education.

So, there It is. Question is, when it comes down to actually engaging with people, managing them and getting the best out of them, what 22-23 year old who's spent the last 3 or 4 years with their noses buried in books at university actually know how to do this?

People have a very poor view of how the forces conduct their training. Yes it's robust because it needs to be. Bullying yes it goes on, it goes on everywhere-difference is, the forces actively do something about it.

Most of the young soldiers we get come from poor backgrounds or broken families that have been let down by the education system. We've given them hope, a job and an education... like me, David is a hopeless case- my maths teacher once wrote on my school report! If he knew the maths involved in getting a regiment of artillery to fire accurately onto a given point at the same time he'd have been amazed.

So before you judge; ask. Give me a subject and I'll teach it. I questioned the relevance of my PGCE. Not once did anyone explain how we should actually conduct a lesson-it was an exercise in quoting dead people et al and how critically analyse my reflective practice. I learned how to teach, coach and mentor by the army. It also taught me how to be a human.

LilacSpunkMonkey · 04/04/2016 22:47

Bloody hell, the thread was started almost 3 years ago!

The OP is probably long gone by now.

cdtaylornats · 04/04/2016 23:10

When I was at school many years ago we had a lot of ex-servicemen as teachers mostly in Maths, Geography, History and PE. Generally they were the better ones. They tend to be disciplined, well organised and had a lot of practical experience.

SawdustInMyHair · 04/04/2016 23:52

Thaddeus667 you've obviously got an axe to grind, but did you not see the zombie thread alert or how old it was?

But, er, congratulations on being one of the only 28 'troops' to go through the course , I guess?

Butters27 · 25/10/2019 21:19

The OP is moron. One of the toughest subjects to teach in ESL abroad. Go see how many teachers with 4 year degrees get fired because they lack common sense. Anyone that thinks a degree and license rather than real world experience is better knows absolutely nothing about learning. Students gravitate towards personalities not just subject manner. I've been teaching for 10 years and laugh when I seen people with an education degree get canned because they are sheltered thin skin hacks

NovoJester · 25/10/2019 21:35

Zombies out again.

demelza82 · 25/10/2019 21:47

Because some people would like to see more right wingers in education. Every forces/ex forces person I know had nothing but contempt for educators

Cleverplayonwords · 25/10/2019 22:12

@demelza82 that's weird, my dad is ex army and his wife is a head teacher Hmm

ghostyslovesheets · 25/10/2019 22:20

@Butters27 why the fuck have you bumped a SIX YEAR OLD thread you wombat

Butters27 · 25/10/2019 22:35

Someone's talking about posting in an old thread yet they replied. Keep crying Nancy

Isithometimeyet0987 · 25/10/2019 22:45

Not all soldiers are uneducated squaddies!(not saying all squaddies are uneducated either).The army is filled with with very smart and educated people. There are nurses, doctors, vets, musicians, mechanics, chefs, physiotherapists etc to name a few, the list could go on and on, soldiers who fly helicopters/planes are very highly trained, smart people. Just because they have been in the army doesn’t mean they will shout and scare children in a classroom, as someone who comes from a military family that sentiment offends me. I think some soldiers would be brilliant teachers and some would be shit teachers just like with all teachers who are currently teaching some are great and some are shit.

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