to think our Prime Minister and his family are entitled to a summer holiday abroad?

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Heaven knows I loathe the man's policies but surely he and his family are entitled to a week or two in the sun? A couple of nutters murdered an innocent man but he'd just be giving more publicity to their "cause" if he cancelled his family trip to Ibiza?

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YANBU however he should maybe have picked the telephone up first to call the soldiers family. He hasn't. No contact at all. We are also in the middle of a huge security crisis so he maybe should have changed his holiday dates. Not hard to do when you are prime minister.

Bloody last thing I would want if I had just lost my son, husband or partner, is David Cameron trying to 'support me'.

On the one hand he is perfectly entitled to take a break, that is why we have deputies and I'm sure he's not been away from his phone for 5 minutes. On the other hand his repugnant policies are pushing thousands of people over the poverty line, so I can see why it leave a bitter taste in some people's mouths.

I, personally, would like him to just fuck off out of the country for good.

Maybe he has been advised not to contact them. It is still very early days. I am not sure I'd want someone I didn't know on the phone calling me so soon tbh, though obviously everyone is different.
Or maybe we just don't know what has actually happened behind the scenes. I don't know.

I'm no fan of DC but tbh I don't think his holiday is as big a story as some of the media want to make it.

Anyway if he did visit the family (which may well be the last thing they want!) he would be accused by the same people of making political capital out of a tragedy.
I may have missed it but has anyone actually asked the family if they want a visit from the PM or any politician?

Be careful what you wish for, people.

DC is without a doubt a slimy, entitled toad, but Michael Gove is waiting in the wings.

What a terrifying thought suburban

YANBU

Jeebus.

It's a 3 day break. We're hardly talking a fortnight in the Caribbean now are we?

All those who think he should postpone his holiday for every event, would you rather we had a burnt out wreck of a prime minister who never saw his family?

And those that think that no-one else should go on holidays as they can't afford one. Erm? Really? You begrudge hard workking people spending their money in the way they want to? Madness.

It's probably wise not to contact the family. Look what happened to Gordon Brown when he did.

Terrible handwriting.

'DC is without a doubt a slimy, entitled toad, but Michael Gove is waiting in the wings.'

Suburban, Gove had a chance at one time, but he won't make it now. He is a progressive and admires Blair. The progressives are unpopular with the Tory grassroots and Tory supporters who are switching to UKIP, so Gove won't be able to turn it round.

It is interesting that most progressives and people who would not vote for Cameron think it is no big deal, but read Littlejohn in the Mail today and read the most highly rated comments of Mail readers at the bottom of that article and the picture looks different.

That's what I said claig. I think you're right. Fainites. We do agree sometimes

I haven't read Littlejohn but I will do. I suspect I might agree with him on this point, though I hardly ever do.

Yes, we do agree sometimes.

Littlejohn is always worth reading because he has the "common touch", which Call Me Dave and Gove don't really have, and is particularly in tune with the ordinary Tory voter.

limitedperiodonly mentioned Thatcher up above. Would Thatcher have taken the holiday?

He also has some funny lines like

"It?s as if Churchill had issued his ?We will fight them on the beaches? speech from a sun-lounger in Barbados."

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I think the real story here is why has Murdoch got the knives out for DC? What's his agenda? Retribution for Levinson? Showing DC that he needs to keep Murdoch on side?

neolara, Murdoch is definitely influential and he has had dinner recently with Farage. But it is not just Murdoch. The Mail and Telegraph have made quite a big deal of this story too.

It is over for the progressives in the Tory party. The Tory voters have swung against them because it seems that they hold many of the Tory voters in contempt. There are bound to be changes now, it is just a matter of when.

Read some of Simon Heffer's articles in the Mail to see how out of touch the Tory progressives are with the core Tory vote.

Hug a hoodie, "save the planet" and all the rest of the progressive manifesto is history. Thatcherism is making a comeback.

And about time too!!

I used to turn to Heffer's column in Saturday's Telegraph first. So elegantly spiteful. He doesn't like Dave I find him too wordy in the Mail. I suspect he's too important to be subbed.

I love Andrew Pierce.

Damian Thompson, who took over from Heffer at the Telegraph, kept up the Dave-Hate and chucked in a bit of Gideon-Hate too, but I haven't read it for a while.

I can see that Dave and his coterie are doing what they think they need to do to make the Tories more appealing to the general population. And this a definite campaign against him.

I truly don't know who's right about the electorate.

But do you really think that chasing UKIP policies is the way for Tories to get more votes? Surely the main reason why UKIP did so well in the local elections was a protest vote against the 3 main parties. Usually the Libs get the protest vote, but this time they are tarred by being in power. I simply don't believe that the majority of people who voted for UKIP are making a political statement about the UK coming out of Europe. What they are mainly doing is saying "we're right royally pissed off with all you lot who are meant to be in power, you other labour lot don't look like you can do a better job".

"I can see that Dave and his coterie are doing what they think they need to do to make the Tories more appealing to the general population."

But it is a failure, because it is alienating the core Tory vote and Tory activists, good people who have allegedly been referred to as "swivel-eyed loons", and it is not gaining new supporters from the rest of the population.

Tory and UKIP votes together exceed New Labour and LibDem votes together.

I think the problem is that some Tory progressives do not really believe in core Tory values, they prefer Blairite policies. That is why, I think, that Tory papers are so critical, because they can see the Tories losing the next election by trying to be Blairite, when they could easily win if they stuck to Tory values.

'But do you really think that chasing UKIP policies is the way for Tories to get more votes?'

Definitely. But there is a credibility gap with the Tory progressives. People don't believe that they are real Thatcherite Tories, they think they are Blairite progressives.

The UKIP vote is not about Europe or immigration, it is a message to the Tories not to abandon their core vote and not to treat them with contempt as if they are "swivel-eyed loons".

UKIP mainly attracts a Tory vote, but it also appeals to the Thatcherite working class Labour vote too.

Thatcher was not for turning and the public aren't for turning too. They have abandoned the Tories in large numbers and there is no easy way back. It is over for the Tory progressives and there will have to be some kind of deal between the Tories and UKIP if they want to win the election.

As you said, Murdoch is on the case and he can read the tea leaves well.

We will see more newspaper articles showing an out-of-touch progressive elite who are not "all in it together" with the rest of us and who treat some of their own voters as if they were "swivel-eyed loons". I think that means that their time is over soon.

This is a fascinating quote from Labour MP, Austin Mitchell's, wife

?Everywhere we went in this very Labour, inner-city London area, people said to Nuttall, ?You?ve got my vote.? And they all, without exception, said they wanted to leave the EU.

?I said to Austin that it was like the 1980s, under Thatcher, when everyone would come up to us and say, ?You?ve got my vote.? ?

Yesterday, as if to emphasise the point, a Labour councillor on Mr Mitchell?s own turf defected to UKIP.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330871/Now-UKIP-leader-Nigel-Farage-sets-sights-working-class-Labour-voters.html

It is over for the progressives in the Tory party and in New Labour. I think we are heading back to the future and to Thatcherism again. "Save the planet" and sustainability will have to wait for another day.

Of course he is entitled to a holiday, he went to university, got a degree and got a job. The money he earns is fair and square. Good for him.

But theo it's not faiiiiirrrr!! Some people didn't do any of that and they can't afford more than a weekend in Skeggy, ergo, no one should be allowed more than a weekend in Skeggy.

He's entitled to do whatever he likes, within the law.

Whether it's a good idea is another matter.