Nick Ross on rape - warning you may feel the need to punch a wall

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I am full of rage, particularly his comments on aggravated rape. Wtf. Presumably he means that there are situations in which he will not be able to stop himself from raping someone because it is aggravated. This has made me so angry. Please they'll me he no longer works for the BBC. I truly hope he loses his career over this. How the hell are we supposed to educate people who think like this?

you can't leave your vagina unattended on the back seat of a car you have to take it with you. A better analogy would be organ thieves. Idiots, carelessly walking about with kidneys inside then, flaunting their urine production for all to see. You can't blame people for taking them, especially if you were out in public or were drunk or asleep.

Dragonwoman that's what I was thinking too.

If it is true that its what the women wears, why doesn't rape happen more in swimming pool changing rooms or around beach areas where women are in bikinis and swim wear.

This whole thing reminds me of this ridiculously offensive poster published in Egypt, about preventing rape, here. Which is pretty ridiculous when you look at the rates of sexual attacks and rapes in these countries, they are ridiculously high regardless of how much they wear.

It's almost like, gasp, clothe have fuck all to do with whether someone will sexually assault/rape you or not.

ithink It's so ridiculous it's almost not worth getting angry about except for all those people who'll go: 'Yeah. What do women expect?'

Some of those people are in possession of a vagina themselves.

By 'these countries' I mean middle eastern countries where women covering up is the norm.

And Ross needs to be less of a bellend and realise that rape was incredibly common in Victorian times and during the Civil war- and in fact in all times throughout history. But IT WASN'T SEEN AS A CRIME. I mean seriously, is he really that thick?????
I mean, there were no thefts of laptops in Victorian times either....

Women shouldn't leave themselves "in view"?

Well, that makes sense, because in middle eastern countries, where they all have to be covered up, there is no rape, is there?

Oh, x-post, it seems.

With a laptop you can get it insured against theft, you can't get insurance on your vagina.

WuzzleMonkey perhaps that wasn't the best phrasing, but it's difficult to explain. If having raped you, a rapist defecated on your face, took a photo and then posted it on your Facebook page and sent it to your mum, that would be an aggravating feature. Of course any rape is degrading.

But limited there is a major difference you are missing (and apologies if I've misunderstood your comment) ...

Having sex then wishing you'd not bothered / regretting consenting to sex = not rape

Being co-erced (sp) into sex / forced to have sex / not being capable of giving consent = rape

It is unfortunate that his rape comments are so vile because he makes a very good point about domestic violence. My DNeices wouldn't have been left to be abused by their mother for 3 months if the authorities had listened to my brother about his violent abusive wife.

I am seething with rage. What can I do? Any suggestions as to where to write? I can't believe that article got published its disgusting.

The act of rape is degrading in and of itself, zillion.

And it's not for non-victims to decide that one rape is more or less bad than another.

FWIW I have a friend who has unfortunately been raped twice - once in a stranger attack scenario and once by a 'friend'. She described the 'friend' attack as more devastating to her because he was someone she trusted. That to her was an aggravating feature.

It's not for you or anybody else to decide that one rape has more aggravating features than another.

I'm sorry but I don't think it's the wording that's out, it's your sentiment: "involving more violence and degradation than required to commit the offence"

Please don't write about rape as though it's something that can be committed with some kind of level of care or concern to the victim. Those features are absent in EVERY SINGLE case of rape.

The same train of though that teaches men it's acceptable to date-rape and abuse women, is the same train of thought that teaches men that being manly is not showing weakness.

As far as I am concerned the patriarchy is to blame for both of them.

I don't know what I'm more offended by, the rubbish being spouted or the poor way in which data has been used.

He is equipped to read words off an auto cue while looking at a camera. He does not appear able to process data or understand concepts like feminism. He should not have a platform.

I've seen first year undergrads write better researched articles. Awful.

Obviously it's the misogynistic bull shit I find most objectionable.

I do love the way he is confidently asserting that a survey shows that women are more likely to be violent because more of them admit it.

Then a sentence later he is pontificating about how much more likely men are to hide and deny things whilst women are five times more likely to admit things and confide in professionals.

Do you not see how the two are linked dickwad????

He uses the words 'tempt fate' as if being raped is fate.

"Our forebears would be baffled.....girls are mostly unescorted, stay out late and sometimes openly kiss".

I'm clutching my pearls RIGHT NOW!

"The act of rape is degrading in and of itself, zillion."

I agree. I said so in my last post.

I'm not interested in comparing and contrasting rapes to tell victims how they should feel, or that their experience wasn't "as bad" as someone else's. That would be wrong. Crimes, including rape, do have to be categorised for the purposes of punishing them. Abuse of trust is quite rightly an aggravating feature.

I was seven when I was first raped. It wasn't done with a knife or threats. He simply used his body weight. I will never forget the pain. I will always wonder who I would be if it had not happened. It has impacted my whole life and the lives of my children. So don't tell me that some types of rape are worse than others.

His wife founded childlike

glen my point was in reply to lougle's post about drinking and sobering up to wish you hadn't done what you did.

Sex in that situation is common but unlikely to result in a report of rape to the police. Many people firmly believe that it does, though, but I'm not sure if lougle is one of them.

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