In being really really REALLY pissed off at those trying to stop same-sex marriage bill going through?

[StoicButStressed]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22588954

^^^^^^^^^^^
THAT

My eldest DS is gay, I genuinely have NO concept or understanding of how anyone thinks he (or the other pretty significant % of our population who also happen to have been born gay?) should in any way be denied the same right as his two brothers have to be able to get married.

AIBU? Or is there something I am simply missing?

[Dawndonna]

Tell me you are not for real AMR73. Post reported, either way.

[Tee2072]

Why did you report her post? She's a twat, sure, but didn't break any rules.

I'd rather posts like that not be reported or deleted. So I know which posters to avoid even trying to talk to.

[Binkybix]

Well reasoned argument ARM. I think you've changed my mind.

[Chiggers]

I wouldn't feel 'cheated' or 'undermined' if marriage was afforded to gay people as well. my vows to DH, and vice versa, were specific and tailor-made to each other as we constructed our own vows. I didn't like the one-size-fits-all approach that a religious marriage would have me say to DH.

Because DH and I made our own vows, there is no change to any marriage bill that would undermine what DH and I have.

[CrapsWithBears]

MrsSparkles I never said I wanted to force them to perform gay marriages, I want there to be an option for COE Priests to marry gay people if they want to do it.

[cory]

So if this bill goes through will I wake up one morning and find I am no longer married to dh but to some woman instead?

Or how exactly is is supposed to affect my marriage?

[AMR73]

Dawndonnw and Tee2072- what's your problem?

[CrapsWithBears]

Biologically impossible for homos to consumate a marriage

Because obviously anything that's not PIV, isn't sex. What a shit sex life you must have.

[xylem8]

marriage is traditionally a means oe tying up sex with blood lines ie parents both taking responsibility for the children they created together. I an not sure how this applies to homo sexual couples because only one is a biological parent and there is always a third party involved.

[CrapsWithBears]

Xylem What about straight couples that need to use a sperm donor or an egg donor?

[cory]

So what about hetero parents who adopt, xylem? Does this dissolve their marriage since it involves a third and a fourth party?

[Cockadoodlequack]

AMR73... Homos? I take it you are refering to other Homo sapiens like you and me, differing only in sexual preferences to the majority of the population? Just to be clear..?

What has incest got to do with it, ffs?

[jacks365]

Cory It doesn't but some people believe it will. People used to believe the earth was flat it doesn't make it true. Being wrong doesn't alter the fact that some people feel that way.

[MrsSparkles]

Craps I think if they weren't exempt they could be, as if a gay couple wanted to marry in church and the minister said no I assume they could be prosecuted? Or have I totally got it wrong?

[Dawndonna]

Sorry. Shock at how awful it was, Tee

[cory]

Very true, jacks.

[NC78]

I don't believe anyone has a reasonable argument against gay marriage. It does not affect my marriage at all, that argument is homophobia dressed up to look like it's not homophobia. Reminds me of I'm not racist but... If someone froths about gay marriage to the point where they have to go out and campaign against it, they are a fucking great homo phobe.

The religious arguments don't wash either - most people in this country do not go to church on a regular basis, so I don't see how churchmen should get to influence our democracy.

It really, really irritates me that people try to impose their beliefs on others. If you don't agree with gay marriage, don't bloody well marry someone of your own gender!

[meglet]

Yanbu.

I was watching the news clips of the MP's marching up to No.10 to speak to Cameron about it (or was it hand in a petition?) and I just thought what a bunch of bigots they were.

[Binkybix]

Jacks - agree they can feel that way, but it doesn't mean that their feelings should dictate what others can do. I still can't follow their logic though!

For example, it's someone's right to believe that homosexuality is wrong, but it doesn't mean that legalising it was wrong.

[CrapsWithBears]

[MrsSparkles] This article may clear it up;

^A quadruple lock, which protects the Church of England as the state religion, states no religious organization or minister will be compelled to marry gay couples.

It also will be unlawful for an individual to marry a gay couple if their organization has not ?opted in?, the Equality Act will be amended so no discrimination claim can be brought in and the legislation will explicitly state it will be illegal for the Church of England and the Church in Wales to marry same-sex couples.^

www.gaystarnews.com/article/church-england-agrees-gay-marriage-lock-will-protect-it170513

[EcoRI]

OP, I don't think you are being unreasonable.
You can redefine marriage to whatever you like. It won't change the sanctity and validity of my own marriage so I disagree with that particular argument.

Perhaps IABU but I can't get worked up about this debate. I think that we have real problems in this country that need addressing and gay marriage (or the lack thereof) is not one of them at the moment. Our education system is fucked. The NHS is fucked. The economy is fucked and as a result, many of our children's prospects will be fucked. These things matter to me right now and it annoys me that the wankers who are supposed to be dealing with it all are arguing about stuff that frankly could be dealt with afterwards.

Sorry if that all sounds a bit harsh.

[AMR73]

Crapswithbears- your aggressive, ill informed comments are doing nothing to persuade me to change my mind.

[CrapsWithBears]

AMR73

Because calling people 'homos' and claiming they can consumate a marriage is just SO well informed and passive.

You couldn't open your mind would be a crowbar, sweetie.

[CrapsWithBears]

*can't consummate