GMO

[nononsensemumof2]

Morrisons, Siansburys, Co-Op and M&S have joined Tesco in allowing GMO fed chickens on their shelves.! This is the tip of the ice burg.!
There is an International protest against GMO on 25th May, I urge you all to organise to join in, if you value choice about what you eat, because if GMO is allowed into our food chain, we will have let the genie out of the bottle, forever.!
Cross contamination and patented law suits will be the order of the day, if we allow Monsanto to get a foot hold on our food supply.
Not only is this vile virus a health hazard to humans, but it is destroying our environment too, re bees, etc.
Plus it is attempting to own Mother Nature via its patented seeds, thereby selling us dangerous produce with a corporate stamp.!
We must all wake up to this onslaught against nature and our right to chose. Please get out in force and demand an end to this profit lead evil against nature now.

Those pesky chemicals get everywhere.

I'm aiming to be chemical free this year.

Also: What takver said.

Thank God some posts here show an understanding of what we are faced with, the others really need to do the research and start getting on board.

Well seeing I am one of those which doesn't support your views I assume I need to do more research.

I'll tell that to the people that gave me the authority to oversee the production of all GMOs where I worked. Ok. I we didn't work with plant GMOs but I think I have a thorough understanding of what a GMO is. How it is generated. The way it can be propagated. The chance of it transferring to other organisms and the mechanisms by which that is prevented.

Fair enough I might need to research plant biotech politics and ethics. But I am happy with my understanding of GMOs. I am happy to eat GM fed chickens (from a health pespective). But thanks for the advice.

anneatkins I totally sympathise with wanting affordable food. Sadly, I don't see any likelihood of GM crops / seed supply monopolies helping with that.

I'm also slightly bemused by this £13.50 chicken, I buy free range local chicken from the butcher, admittedly not whole chicken (usually thighs) but it isn't that expensive at all. It would be even cheaper if I could get to the thursday market as my parents do & buy direct from the farmer.

Frankly, whenever I go in Tescos I think they are taking the piss with prices, basically they know they can charge silly money for decent food because some people will pay it, then sell crap 'value' food to everyone else. Obviously I'm lucky in that we live in the country so we have the veg van, fish van, people selling direct on the market, and local shops that don't make a fortune for some fancy supermarket directors.

@Takver: yes and I agree with this too. I have farmers in my family and we have an allotment (not a lottie, lol, you know the difference) and we grow a lot of our veg, and we frankly just do without meat or get it from certain people. However, that said, there sometimes comes a day when some chicken breast marinated nicely and grilled is a real treat and I want enough for everyone to partake. ;-)

Endo: Fish genes do not belong in PLANTS, they belong in fish.!
Bees don't eat fish! Is it any wonder they are dying.?

Dunno what your talking about endo, I know for a fact that they are goungto put BLEACH CHEMICALS into the DNA of plants, so we'll have half plants, half BLEACH.

Lets just hope we can stop that van being the Monsanto van, selling chicken, veg and fish which is indistinguishable from each other apart from the DNA patents.

I came to laugh at rouge genes but i see someone beat me to it... As you were...

OP may have introduced this badly but she has a point. Monsanto is a huge corporation in USA which develops GMO's. They sell seed to farmers in USA and poor countries but under contract to destroy the resulting seed so the farmers always have to buy the seed every season.

They also produce hormones to get cows to produce more milk, and have sued more organic milk farmers who label their milk "produced by cows who have not been given hormones". Their reasoning is because it will make consumers think the hormone milk is therefore bad.

They own so many patents on crops such as corn, soy beans etc in USA, and their products are in about 70% of processed food in USA. In USA the govt seem to be encouraging bad health as they are considering not allowing labels such as 'organic' and 'non-gmo' as they don't want to discriminate against Monsanto products. One of their ex-CEOs has been put in charge of the food and drug department, so of course their interests are being seen to first as they prop up the government of their choice with millions every year.

I thought UK and Europe were brilliant because they weren't allowing GMO stuff and were resisting the huge pull of Monsanto, but as the OP says, it's the thin edge of wedge - first it's chickens, and then it'll be human food that you won't even know about because some of you say you don't care.

Before you fact check, all of the above is broadly what I remember from memory from a few weeks ago (I recently moved to USA from UK) of research, so I've tried not to be too specific as don't want to be accused of lying and haven't got time to do a google search now for more reliable links. However, just google 'Monsanto, health' and you will get more info.

It is important that people are aware of this stuff or you won't even know the shit you are eating soon. We are having to spend a fortune on food here to avoid the rubbish.

Just back and saw my post was on page 14!!? Sorry, I thought I was posting on the first page so probably duplicated other posts.

But they are making money from people buying their food. I am not aware of any cases of adverse reactions in humans or any of the problems people mention as possible actually occurring.
Therefore are you scaremongering without evidence?

An interesting article that may be of interest to nononsensemumof 2 and those of whom she says

"some posts here show an understanding of what we are faced with"

www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/01/the-very-real-danger-of-genetically-modified-foods/251051/

caroldecker - It's not that she's scaremongering without evidence, there is evidence, as posted by Taskver and others. It's that she's scaremongering without much idea of what she's talking about.

Therefore not coming across well.

"Eosinophilia?myalgia syndrome was first recognized after the doctors of 3 American women with mysterious symptoms talked together in 1989. However, many people became ill as long as 2?3 years before the illness was reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in November 1989"

"Some epidemiologist studies[5][6][7] traced the cause to consumption of L-tryptophan from a single Japanese manufacturer, Showa Denko.[8] The company supplied the majority of L-tryptophan to the United States under various brand names. There was evidence that new batches of L-tryptophan may have been improperly prepared. First, the specific bacterial culture used to synthesise this tryptophan had recently been genetically engineered to greatly increase tryptophan production. The increased concentrations of tryptophan in the fermentor may in turn have led to increased production of trace impurities."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eosinophilia%E2%80%93myalgia_syndrome

www.nytimes.com/1989/11/17/us/officials-investigating-drug-s-role-in-illness.html

www.nytimes.com/1991/06/25/science/aftermath-of-l-tryptophan.html

articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/11/06/who-is-trying-to-hide-the-causes-of-a-deadly-epidemic-from-you-and-why.aspx

Some people question the research down by nononsensemumof2

Here are the comments of one of the founders of Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream and by the Labour MP, Michael Meacher, a former Environment Minister according to the source of the quote, and a President of Friends of the Earth on a book called "Seeds of Destruction" on GM

"Outrageous! That's what you'll say over and over again when you read how the biotechnology companies have manipulated the government, our food, and the media, and put an entire generation at risk. Notions of independence and integrity in the nation's food regulatory agencies are shattered in this well-documented, captivating book."

?Ben Cohen, Co-Founder, Ben & Jerry's

"This is a brilliant book which combines shrewd dissection of the true nature of GM technology, a devastating critique of the health and environmental hazards of GM crops, and scarifying examples of the manipulation of both science and the media by the biotech industry... What is so exciting about this book is that it is no dry text of scientific exegesis?it positively fizzes with the human drama of the cabals and conspiracies behind the scenes... It is meticulously documented and powerfully written, somewhere between a documentary and a thriller."

?From the UK edition foreword by Michael Meacher, former UK environment minister

"Seeds of Deception is a very important book for two major reasons: first, it clearly exposes many threats the genetically engineered food industry poses to people, animals, and nature; and second, it is a powerful alert to all academic institutions about the way in which scientists of great integrity are being ruthlessly attacked and intimidated by multi-billion-dollar special interests. People all over the world who are concerned about their food supply should read this book."

?Brent Blackwelder, President, Friends of the Earth

seedsofdeception.com/seeds-of-deception/seeds-praise/

Just because nononsensemumof2 is not as famous as those people and just because she prefers a liberal use of the full stop and exclamation mark compared to the more conventional use of punctuation, does not mean that what she says has no merit.

'it positively fizzes with the human drama of the cabals and conspiracies behind the scenes'

?From the UK edition foreword by Michael Meacher, former UK environment minister

Remember, how we nearly stopped it in the early nineties in that historic week.

It is probably too late to stop it now, but what nonsensemumof2 says is no nonsense.

That's not why what she says has no merit.

What she says has no merit because she hasn't actually given any actual evidence of anything except that she has no idea what DNA actually is.

Others have, sure. But Whateverhernameis2 hasn't bothered to actually state any facts except OMG MONSANDOTOALLDAND IS TAKING OVER THE WORLD RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!

::waits for claig to point out that I said Monsadanolalldn is not actually a US company, because that seems to be her main argument::

"This is a brilliant book which combines shrewd dissection of the true nature of GM technology, a devastating critique of the health and environmental hazards of GM crops"

?From the UK edition foreword by Michael Meacher, former UK environment minister

'::waits for claig to point out that I said Monsadanolalldn is not actually a US company, because that seems to be her main argument::'

I wasn't aware that you had said that. But that just goes to prove my point!

Sorry, my mistake, the book is called "Seeds of Deception", not Destruction

Are you drunk this early in the morning? Because otherwise I worry about your memory and perhaps you should go see your GP immediately.

In any case, you're beating a dead horse. Whathersface2 has already started a new thread that shows what a loon she actually is. Perhaps you should find that one before you side with her on anything.

"the way in which scientists of great integrity are being ruthlessly attacked and intimidated by multi-billion-dollar special interests"

?Brent Blackwelder, President, Friends of the Earth

But don't think it is just about money and billions of dollars.

Tee, can you link to it please?
as I have been impressed with her knowledge on this subject