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to demand a child is excluded from school?

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Tubemole1 · 17/05/2013 23:12

I will try and keep this as brief as poss. My daughter is in Y1 and one of her classmates, a boy, often harrasses her. She has been pinched and hair pulled during carpet time and put in a headlock during playtime. I have asked for this boy to stay away from my daughter and her teacher has made efforts to do so.

Today, the same boy attacked four girls. He bit one on the neck and drew blood. Another girl was bitten on the arm five times, no blood. My daughter was attacked as well but she managed to escape with no injury. Obviously my fellow mums and I are outraged. Nothing was done to discipline the boy, so he can't grasp the enormity of the fallout of his actions. My daughter, certainly, was left shaken, trying to make sense if it. This boy has a fascination with vampires, but we all wonder what has he seen to act this way?

I am all for complaining to the school, but dh wants our daughter to just kick him in the balls if he tries again. What message will that give, when she has to fight back to survive?

My daughter is a toughie, and can defend herself, but she bottles up her true feelings. The teacher doesn't see that she's upset, because she only lets it go when she's home, and we have a blubbering child needing our care and understanding. Is it unreasonable to ask the school makes sure our kids are safe thru the day, and this boy is either excluded, or has some sort of intervention?

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hackmum · 20/05/2013 19:09

You sound like a lovely person, float62.

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EatenByZombies · 20/05/2013 23:07

I second Float62
You seem to automatically jump to the conclusion that this kid is terrible etc etc without considering exaggeration on your DDs part. Your condemnation of the teacher is bollocks, seeing as you weren't actually there and have only heard her reaction through the grapevine, so to speak.
I personally feel your reaction was OTT seeing as your child wasn't actually hurt herself - even if he's been picking on her for a while, exclusion wouldn't be the solution so you don't seem to be being reasonable.. Hmm

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JakeBullet · 21/05/2013 08:03

His fascination with vampires might come from nothing more than seeing some of Twilight.

In any case I am glad the school are trying to support this boy as he is unlikely to realise how his actions might be upsetting others. In addition it will help the parents get support from him if he has a problem. Or it may just mean a more careful look out at break times to separate "playground stuff" from real issues. By "playground stuff" I mean the boy saying "ooh look I am a vampire chasing you" and by "other issues" I mean " vampires bite so I will bite you" which shows so done needs to step in and explain that playing a vampire is fine but biting is not. On the other hand if the biting is defensive "don't come near me or touch me" then he may have some sensory issues going on for which he needs support.

Whatever it is the school will deal with it.

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LouiseSmith · 21/05/2013 11:09

Talk to the school, make the head aware of the situation. But no you have absolutely no right to demand the child is excluded. You have no idea what is happening at the home of the child, maybe he's having a hard time.

Speak to the Head, keep in regular contact with teachers, tell your DD to stay away from him, don't sit near him in carpet time. But be prepared that your child may not come out smelling of roses. Its very rare especially in year one, that only one child is to blame.

Good luck

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insanityscratching · 21/05/2013 11:53

mrsmindcontrol a child doesn't have to be failing academically to need and get a statement. Having behavioural needs is enough and being excluded twelve times in three years at 7 or 8 is definitely evidence of need.
FWIW ds and dd both have statements neither of them have any academic needs (dd is exceptionally academically able in fact) I'd suggest speaking to IPSEA or SOSSEN and let them help you secure a statement.

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cherrycarpet · 21/05/2013 12:36

I'd put your concerns in writing and send a copy to the Headteacher and one to the Governors. I would also book an appointment with the teacher/headmaster. Your DD needs to feel safe at school. Your school needs to come up with an action plan and they need to follow through with it. Keep a diary of any future events and if the school aren't dealing with it then go to Ofsted.

It sounds like this boy possibly has behavioural issues which will need some intervention. At age 5 or 6 he's still learning social skills and it's up to the adults to guide him. I personally wouldn't advise your daughter to attack him as it would be giving her and the boy very mixed messages about aggression. If anything it could make the situation worse.

It's not up to you to ask for the child to be excluded even though this might feel like it is the easiest solution. I can understand your anger and hopefully it will get sorted soon.

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threesypeesy · 21/05/2013 12:55

you sound delightful op Hmm you are expecting a head teacher to bow down to you and your vigilante gang of other mums!! there may be some background to this little boys behavioural issues.

apart from other "picking on" incadents you have mentioned you're child was not actually injured on this occasion and those who were are nothing to do with you that is for their parents to deal with, are you going on what a young child had told you or what an adult has told you regarding the non punishment of this child?

and to teach a child to kick a boy in the testicals as a way of retaliation is an absolute disgrace, that is something that could permenantly injure the said little boy,

you need to attend a meeting with those appropriate and come up with an action plan that is realistic to all those involved, i can understand feeling upset or frustrated at a situation like this as its you're child but you seem to have taken on an attitude that comes across as you expect your childs needs to be put before all the others in the class and its simply not the case the little boys needs are just as important and i do not believe having him suspended is going to do anyone any good.

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Boomba · 21/05/2013 13:07

From your last couple of posts, i would not be able to determine whether the 'team of girls' weren't bullying and excluding the boy Confused

If it happened as you report, them yes, the teacher I'd failing her safe guarding duty. But given the attitude/approach of you and the other mums as described, I think there is probably another side to this story

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mrsmindcontrol · 21/05/2013 13:38

Thank you insanity. That's incredibly helpful!

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Kleinzeit · 21/05/2013 14:47

OP, I am rather regretting my advice to you to go the school. I honestly didn?t expect them to see you and the boy?s parents together. They can?t (or shouldn't!) discuss any difficulties that he might be having at a meeting where you or your husband are present, only things that directly involve your DD. But it seems the boy's problems are not only with her?

The school seem to expect you and the boys? parents to sort it out somehow between you. But the school are responsible for what happens in school. And I don?t see what this meeting can achieve, because even if the parents are reasonable they wont be able to do very much themselves to help your DD's relationship with their son, and if they are not reasonable then that might make things worse for her. So I do hope your DH has better negotiating skills than just threatening people with kicks in the bollocks!

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insanityscratching · 21/05/2013 15:51

Parents gathered a petition to have my ds aged 5 removed from school. The HT gave every parent on the petition the option of removing their child from the school immediately because they wouldn't be removing or excluding ds. Be careful that you aren't offered the same option if you go in all guns blazing.Incidentally no one removed their child and school secured additional funding to ensure ds had 1 to 1 support at all times.

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Goldmandra · 21/05/2013 16:57

I read the OP's post as saying her DH was going in to see the class teacher and KS1 leader, not the other child's parents. That would be totally inappropriate.

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JamieandtheMagicTorch · 21/05/2013 17:03

insanity

You poor woman. How are relations between you and other parents now?

Great that it resulted in a good outcome for everyone, but still....

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JamieandtheMagicTorch · 21/05/2013 17:03

...or maybe, good outcome would have happened anyway?

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insanityscratching · 21/05/2013 17:55

Well we left the local school anyway as the junior department didn't have the same ethos and ds would have been excluded in time from there anyway if we had stayed.
Ds has autism, at five it was glaringly obvious he had SEN (he couldn't speak, was in nappies etc) I found the ignorance appalling tbh.
He had a ft statement on entry to nursery what the parents didn't know was that it was my complaints about the school to the LEA that secured more funding for breaktimes and lunchtimes because the school weren't supporting him properly. The HT had no option but to fight ds's corner as she had been leaned on by the LA.
Ds eventually moved to a school thirty miles away but he still has the bad boy reputation as I discovered when one of the petitioners asked me 8 years later if he was still naughty. I said "no he still has autism. I see you are still as thick as pig shit as well, some things don't change" Wink Funnily enough she's never spoken to me since Grin

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hobnobsaremyfavourite · 21/05/2013 17:57

insanity :)

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JamieandtheMagicTorch · 21/05/2013 17:57

there is staggering ignorance. But not just that - it's a sort of ill-will towards anyone else's child that some parents have.

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mrsmindcontrol · 21/05/2013 18:06

Insanity, so sorry you had to go through that. Your poor boy & poor you. I love your attitude. I'm going to reply like that next time anyone refers to my DS1 as naughty.

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crashdoll · 21/05/2013 18:08

OP, you sound gleeful about the whole situation which makes me think you are probably enjoying the prospect of the little boy being even more ostracised that he is already. I am not condoning the child's behaviour but some people seem unable to separate behaviour from the human being. This is a young child we are talking about with the potential to learn, grow and change given the right support. Ostracising him, excluding him and ganging up on him won't help at all. You might kid yourself that you're helping your child and others but you really aren't. Also, you really shouldn't believe all that you hear, especially if it's come from playground gossip or from year 1 children.

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Blueandwhitelover · 21/05/2013 18:09

I'm still confused as to your statement that DH will go in and sort it. Why should he be able to sort it and you not? Are we still in the archaic age of being threatened by men or the idea that a man will stand no nonsense when confronted by women?
This statement has irritated me beyond belief let alone the rest of your complaint.

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JamieandtheMagicTorch · 21/05/2013 18:11

crashdoll

I agree

The last but one post especially.

Even the label the biter

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insanityscratching · 21/05/2013 18:19

I have the hide of a rhino now and an evil tongue. I put it to good use and make sure people think twice before being critical of me as a parent or cruel or unkind about my boy again.
We shouldn't have to be like this because you would hope that there was some modicum of compassion and sensitivity about where children with disabilities were concerned. But no unfortunately there isn't.
I'm not going to hide my child and sit weeping in a corner I'm fighting back and if when they've had a taste of my venom it makes them more wary next time then I've done a good job because newer parents or those feeling fragile don't need the grief.

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Kleinzeit · 21/05/2013 18:24

Re-reading the post Goldmandra I think you?re right ? I guess these are separate meetings (phew!). The school probably wont be able to tell the OP anything about the boy, only what they will do to support and protect her DD. Indeed the more they are doing for the boy the less they?ll be able to say because it is confidential.

I don?t think the OP is especially gleeful or intolerant. She was just upset and angry because her DD has been hurt and upset, and she?s glad because the school may be doing something about it. Fair enough.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 21/05/2013 18:45

The last parent that said that they where going to "sort it" was escorted from the school by senior management and banned from the premises. So I'm hoping that it just a bad turn of phrase by the OP.

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EatenByZombies · 21/05/2013 20:28

"She was just upset and angry because her DD has been hurt and upset
Kleinzeit, her child wasn't hurt. That's the whole point of what multiple MNers are saying, it has nothing to do with her because her child wasn't hurt. She's basically trying to get a very young child excluded for upsetting hers, which is madness!

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