to be pretty terrified that being a child abuser

[FocaultOff]

has actually caused some people to rise to positions of power only because Parliament's power has been corrupted absolutely:

spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/the-dirt-book-how-the-sexual-abuse-of-children-is-used-for-political-gain/

Following the developments of Savile, I continue to be shocked, saddened and horirified on a daily basis - I just cannot get over the depths of this and how far up and nationally this goes. WTF is going on? It took Portugal 7 years to sort out the Casa Pia orphanages abuse network with their very own Savile TV type figure involved. I cannot give a shiny shit about EU referendums and Nigel Horsey Mirage while we now know all this....2015 election has no other issues surely? So long as any party is protecting alleged child abusers within their ranks and preventing due process of criminal justice system being applied to them for a court to find innocent or guilty, as with all other subjects of the law, none shall be above it, then they cannot have be entrusted with power.... how do we know child abusers aren't influencing sentencing guidelines for child sex abuse offences for example? spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/the-sentencing-council-and-other-legal-panels-took-advice-from-convicted-paedophiles-about-sentencing-for-paedophile-offences/

Am I being crazy to think people would be shouting from rooftops about this if they knew, or does everyone already know and just accept this is the way it is? Not paedo hating public hysteria....I'm a pacificst and I want to see democracy fixed so more like a very severe public Paxmanesque probing on National TV for some of those in charge of the various child abuse inquiries that have thus far been unable to provide proper resolution over the question of abusers in power and children in care being trafficked round the country to be sexually exploited? Why is at the very least this not happening?

[FocaultOff]

Riots - what is unknown really is the extent of abuse Savile perpetrated on mental health or SEN victims due to low level of reporting. We do know however that he didn't stop at terminally ill or paraplegic or temporarily anesthestised.

I think the type of child abuse we're looking at with Savile and those he supplied with children to abuse is of the deepest depravity possible and it is not JUST about being a child that causes the attraction it is the status and mental state of being a child or in a trusting or vulnerable position like a child (even where older) that is the object of the attraction and therefore is even broader in its potential.

[FocaultOff]

Also there's a whole swathe of male sexual abuse survivors that we're denying exist in the press at the moment and therefore probably don't have great support structures in place. The public school system and the infiltration of certain schools (both religious and non-religious) is going to have had great impact at a certain level of society.

[IfNotNowThenWhen]

Peadophilia is just not comparable in any way to Homosexuality. Not because one is legal, and the other isn't. But because one is immoral, and the other isn't.
Sexual attraction to children is a sexual disorder (and is considered so in every functioning society in the world) and it is not curable, with any amount of therapy.
The best that can be done is to remove paedophiles from society, so that they cannot cause pain and suffering to others, and also so that they cannot create potential future abusers.
And looking at images of children being abused IS abuse by proxy imo.

[pigletmania]

I am at some of the responses. Though illegal until recently, homosexuality is between two consenting adults, paedophilia is not. It's a despicable act violating children and shoul severely punished. Thought I feel that those expressing a sexual desire for children need more tan counselling, they need proper psychiatric intervention, and should not be allowed in the community until those desires are gone

[MooncupGoddess]

The stories that have come out in the last months and years are absolutely horrific and I have no intention of trivialising this enormously important issue.

But I do think that as a society we are slowly (admittedly, too slowly) beginning to grasp the extent of the problem and taking steps to locate and punish perpetrators. Yes there is still a very long way to go, but I don't think one should (for example) take the ridiculous comments of one barrister, immediately disavowed by her chambers, as representing the views of the profession or population as a whole.

[IfNotNowThenWhen]

And I agree-calling it "a sexual orientation" is repellent.
To want to corrupt, rape and control is way, way beyond the mild term "orientation"
It has more in common with Psychopathy.

[pigletmania]

The consequences of abuse are devastating and life changing for the child involved, to trivialise it is unacceptable.

[RunRabbit]

IfNot And how do you propose we remove them from society? Stick them all on an island together?

[FocaultOff]

RunRabbit - Isle of Wight is that place....hasn't got the most prison places for sex offenders of anywhere in UK? It's quite a concentration. Would be surprised if Savile doesn't turn out to be a regular round that way too.

[pigletmania]

Good idea RunRabbit!

[IfNotNowThenWhen]

I don't really care how they do it.

[Fakebook]

This thread is chilling.

[FocaultOff]

Clegg and Cameron must feel like they've unwrapped the last wrapping on the pass the parcel only to find it contains a crock of shit attached to a timebomb set to go off on their watch.

The party whips must be working overtime.

[pigletmania]

Why Fake!

[RunRabbit]

Well it's not going to happen. So if we want to protect our children we have to deal with it instead of getting hysterical.

[Fakebook]

The whole aspect of viewing paedophilia as a sexual preference is chilling.

[pigletmania]

Wish it would. I am not worried Run but like many have my views on Paedophiles and I am entitled to it.

[pigletmania]

Oh right ok, it's not it's about control, domination and violation of a young vulnerable child

[DioneTheDiabolist]

As interesting and insightful as this discussion has become, I can't see that anyone is addressing the main crux of the OP. Our law makers, keepers and protectors are covering up the crimes of sexual predators for political ends.

For every paedophile protected there are numerous damaged children and adults whose pain is dismissed. Abused children suffer at the time of the abuse, but this can be heavily mitigated if, when they report the abuse, that they are believed and understood. The victims of these abusers suffer from the abuse and they suffer from being dismissed. In many cases they are called liars and branded trouble makers.

But I think that most people prefer to not to acknowledge this. It's too scary.

[FocaultOff]

Dione - that's where I'm at. I am fucking terrified. But I can't look away now. I feel I ought to do something but what? My pitchfork is well and truly in B&Q unpurchased I promise you.If it's torches, I'll be bringing some scented candles. It has to be through legitimate democratic means, it has to be in a way that still invests trusts in the system I believe to have been corrupted, if only to re-invest them with some power for those police/judges etc who are not psychopaths.

[FocaultOff]

Look at Jersey and Haut de la Garenne - they know Savile was operating in Jersey and Edward Paisnel the Beast was operating there until 1973. Yet the investigation was smeared and independent coppers were pulled off the investigation while BBC Jersey failed to note much of a commotion about anything.

[ballinacup]

Actually ICBINEG I have a DS and yes, I would rather he felt reviled than felt he could normalise his urges.

I actually find it worrying that you hold such liberal-in-the-face-of-morality views when you have a young daughter. How would you react if your DP told you he wanted to fuck children like your daughter?

Sorry to be so base but that is the crux of what you're suggesting.

[FocaultOff]

Charlie Uniform: Me too. Leveson had to happen before Savile could break. It is no coincidende Nick Davies was at forefront of pushing hackgate/operation motorman etc and has also written very detailed well researched articles about UK links to international/Amsterdam child abuse networks. Murdoch, politicians and entirety of press were locked in one big stalemate. Murdoch was willing to trade knowledge of child abusers in power for media megalomania dreams come true. Max Clifford was probably scourge of them so no surprise he's an early public arrest. The celebrity arrests are going to be straightforward compared to arresting a former tory cabinet minister in wake of Thatcher funeral for example. Police must need intelligence permission to go ahead with even investigating - that's what we're being told when Cyril Smith is being protected by Special Branch officers. The Whips Dirt Book promotes a sysmte that promotes those with the dirtiest secret as being the easiest to control.

[RunRabbit]

Focault This isn't new information is it though?

Any position where there is power there will be corruption because of things like greed and ruthless ambition.

To think you can stamp issues like these out and have an honest, trustworthy system is a little naive.