to be pretty terrified that being a child abuser

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has actually caused some people to rise to positions of power only because Parliament's power has been corrupted absolutely:

spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/the-dirt-book-how-the-sexual-abuse-of-children-is-used-for-political-gain/

Following the developments of Savile, I continue to be shocked, saddened and horirified on a daily basis - I just cannot get over the depths of this and how far up and nationally this goes. WTF is going on? It took Portugal 7 years to sort out the Casa Pia orphanages abuse network with their very own Savile TV type figure involved. I cannot give a shiny shit about EU referendums and Nigel Horsey Mirage while we now know all this....2015 election has no other issues surely? So long as any party is protecting alleged child abusers within their ranks and preventing due process of criminal justice system being applied to them for a court to find innocent or guilty, as with all other subjects of the law, none shall be above it, then they cannot have be entrusted with power.... how do we know child abusers aren't influencing sentencing guidelines for child sex abuse offences for example? spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/the-sentencing-council-and-other-legal-panels-took-advice-from-convicted-paedophiles-about-sentencing-for-paedophile-offences/

Am I being crazy to think people would be shouting from rooftops about this if they knew, or does everyone already know and just accept this is the way it is? Not paedo hating public hysteria....I'm a pacificst and I want to see democracy fixed so more like a very severe public Paxmanesque probing on National TV for some of those in charge of the various child abuse inquiries that have thus far been unable to provide proper resolution over the question of abusers in power and children in care being trafficked round the country to be sexually exploited? Why is at the very least this not happening?

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GogoGobo I didn't call anyone an idiot.

Also, just because you don't have a willy, it doesn't mean you can't abuse. Also - although it's rarer - there are female paedophiles.

This is ultimately a huge, knotty, controversial subject.

Castrating them wouldn't work, they have hands, mouths and other objects to use.

What would stop child sexual abuse? The perpetrator of these crimes has to agree to undergo medical procedures, talking therapies only work for some, CBT only work for some. Longer sentences wouldn't work as a deterrent. Whats the answer?

There is tons of research.

runrabbit you said lock someone up for a mental disorder. Is paedophilla a mental disorder?

GogoGobo Not sure which question was directed at me, the DH one or if it's a disorder one.

Rather than removing the prejudice against paedophiles, I'd like to see the complete removal of prejudice against their victims.

As someone who was abused, and then tricked into revealing it at work, I was then forced out of my job.

Thanks Littlewoods

GogoGobo Yes it is. And it is listed in the 'Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders' (DSM).

But surely the misunderstood ones, if they're not 'bad' or 'evil' will never offend?

Those advocating support and gentle hand holding need to decide: paedophiles are either mentally ill, in which case they need treating in a secure facility where they can not hurt their victims, or they are criminals who do not deserve a soft and gentle approach.

"Rape is more about power and control than a sexual preference. You might well have violent sexual desires and go on to rape but that's not the same as sexual orientation."

Bottleofbeer - what if the "sexual orientation" was actually geared to control and power? If you take the "sex" bit out of child abuse it is very clearly about the thrill of corruption - and not corruption in the Mary Whitehouse sense - Graham Ovenden is a point in case on this.

When he painted those pictures , according to the trial reports, he talked of capturing the fall from grace, garden of eden etc loads of waffly wannebe William Blake Miltonesque stuff. What he was actually doing was producing paintings of young girls being corrupted as every time they sat for the painting he abused them (blindfolded telling them it was his thumb they were being forced to perform a taste test on) looking fragile, corruptable, vulnerable, defencesless in their victoriana style chiffonery he had draped them in. So all the garden of eden matephor was actually self-justification for watch me exploit the innocence and trust of childhood and then paint its disintegration.

It is the status of a child, child abusers get off on. The thrill of taking their trust away from them, of exerting power over them, playing mind games to bend them to their will. That is the sexual thrill. That is the sexual orientation. Do we tolerate that?

Gogo The point I was making was long sentences are not a deterrent in general. Judges/politicians/actors they have their whole lives to lose, look at Ken Barlow, finished. Stuart Hall, he won't get a 30 year plus stretch, but his life is beyond ruined.

They think (in some cases they are right) that they are above the law.

Which is why it's great that so many of the old ones, that presumably thought they'd 'got away with it' are being brought down in such a public way.

tb that is truly awful. Of course stigma against those abused should not exist.

This about protecting children as best we can. I believe that is best done by creating an environment where people can talk and receive support to not offend in the first place.

Let's imagine it is your son...they are 16 and they are realising that their sexual desires are not normal. Wouldn't you want them to come to you and talk? Or would you want them reading day in day out that they and everyone like them are evil scum and should be locked up and the key thrown away?

Honestly truly ICBINEG, I would want the latter for my son. I would want him to know that it was so very and deeply wrong and that his life would be miserable because of it in the hope that it would prevent him from acting on it. Some things can not be hugged out.

ballinacup It is impossible to know who will offend.

Everything isn't black and white. Who is going to help people, especially pedophiles, when it's easier and cheaper to stick them in jail. There was a clinic in Surrey that was shut down and land sold for millions by the Government.

Have we had Tom Watson on webchat yet? Or Mark TW or WT chap who did the ITV exposure program? I want to know how to stay out of the way of these abusers in power

I was horrified to see that people actually collected Graham Ovendens 'so called' artwork.

It makes you wonder who bought it and what for.

ballina you would rather your own son thought himself evil,despicable and deserving of punishment for the thoughts and desires that come naturally to him, than spoke to you and got treatment for his condition?

fuck me!

And it doesn't bother you that he might actually be less likely to offend with support and treatment than with fear and isolation?

Just stab the knife straight in....

Tell me you don't actually have children....PLEASE.

Is pedophilia really a sexual orientation?

I mean, 'rapist' isn't classed as a sexual orientation is it? Rape has nothing to do with sex, it's about exercising power and control over another person.

A pedophile is not forcing sexual activity on a child because they're attracted to them, they are forcing them to be involved in activities they are not ready for, able to consent to and do not want because they can and enjoy the feeling of power and control they get by forcibly taking a child's innocence away from them.

riots paedophilia is defined as a sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

HTH

I saw a documentary about a guy who felt sexually attracted to children and he felt awful about it. He went to a psychiatrist but it didn't really change his feelings so he asked a doctor to chemically castrate him. After living with this chemical castration (a non permanent procedure) he then decided to be permanently castrated. He never violated any children and always said that he had no control over the "urges" (which went away after the castration).

Was pretty thought provoking.

remind me...did beating the homosexuality out of children work?

did beating schizophrenia or any other MH disorder out of children work?

did exorcism work?

why is anyone in this day and age under the impression that you can beat a sexual attraction to children out of someone?

I agree ryanboy it is a very good point and one that needs to be looked at more

there are many many men and women who are sexually attracted to children who never ever act on it. We need to as a society understand this more so those that do can get the support and help they need

those who choose to abuse we need to understand more about why they do

No it isn't Riots

Kinsey collected "data" on child sexuality using a prolific predatory child abuser....seriously, you can't make it up.
spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/kinseys-paedophiles/

We've been groomed, we've been told we've been groomed, we're still being groomed, and we seem to like it that way.That's the depressing conclusion I keep arriving it but is this reality or are we going to decide we don't want to be groomed anymore? Is there still even a choice if the clock can't be rewound and survivors of abuse across 6 generations of children in care (Kincora; N Wales; Islington; Lambeth: Leicestershire (Frank Beck)) still await justice for the powerful high profile abusers. It just defies belief.

If you accept that it the wish to control and have power over certain others is a "sexual orientation" which is S&M directed towards children ok then? Is the addition of children to the sexual fetish mix just where we're at now in UK society? Jeffrey Epstein is just a little 'premature' in his tastes? Like I said, my jaw is pretty much on the ground every day with barristers campaigning for age of consent to be lowered to age 13 and decrying witch hunts against old men as repugnant. Remember - the link to the Cooke, Bailey ring (who were not killing children while loving them - god love Jason Swift and his poor family who had to know what they'd done to their boy). This was not an overenthusiastic hug gone wrong. And it's to them via Peter Righton that that alleged abusers in Parliament are linked. It can't get MUCH worse than that can it?

Is anyone else following this? Op Fernbridge? Elm Guest House?