to be pretty terrified that being a child abuser

[FocaultOff]

has actually caused some people to rise to positions of power only because Parliament's power has been corrupted absolutely:

spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/the-dirt-book-how-the-sexual-abuse-of-children-is-used-for-political-gain/

Following the developments of Savile, I continue to be shocked, saddened and horirified on a daily basis - I just cannot get over the depths of this and how far up and nationally this goes. WTF is going on? It took Portugal 7 years to sort out the Casa Pia orphanages abuse network with their very own Savile TV type figure involved. I cannot give a shiny shit about EU referendums and Nigel Horsey Mirage while we now know all this....2015 election has no other issues surely? So long as any party is protecting alleged child abusers within their ranks and preventing due process of criminal justice system being applied to them for a court to find innocent or guilty, as with all other subjects of the law, none shall be above it, then they cannot have be entrusted with power.... how do we know child abusers aren't influencing sentencing guidelines for child sex abuse offences for example? spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/the-sentencing-council-and-other-legal-panels-took-advice-from-convicted-paedophiles-about-sentencing-for-paedophile-offences/

Am I being crazy to think people would be shouting from rooftops about this if they knew, or does everyone already know and just accept this is the way it is? Not paedo hating public hysteria....I'm a pacificst and I want to see democracy fixed so more like a very severe public Paxmanesque probing on National TV for some of those in charge of the various child abuse inquiries that have thus far been unable to provide proper resolution over the question of abusers in power and children in care being trafficked round the country to be sexually exploited? Why is at the very least this not happening?

[GogoGobo]

I mean, is there actually any proof that counselling someone is enough to stop them enacting their urges? If we said those found guilty of child abuse were given a mandatory 30 yr sentence I imagine there would be more control of impulses!

[nellyjelly]

There are schemes where volunteers work with convicted sex offenders to help support and prevent further offending. This is only beneficial to some offenders.

[nellyjelly]

Thing is ICBINEG is that you keep talking about paedophiles as if they are a homogenous group. They aren't. Some have a deviant sexual attraction to children, some know it is wrong, some believe they are right. Some offend inside the family, some outside. Some are violent men who cause harm to a range of victims in different ways etc. there is no one 'solution' to this.

[GogoGobo]

I wonder how many filthy deviants would become " counsellors". Getting to discuss the very thing they signed up to eliminating??

[CuntChops]

I'm no expert, but I always felt peadophiles don't consider what they do as 'wrong' in a moral sense, just that society sees it that way. I think they think 'normal' people just don't understand?
so, to seek help, you would have to consider it wrong in the first place.

[CuntChops]

X post nelly

[Abra1d]

There are two issues here, Gogo: the treatment of convicted paedophiles and the treatment of people who admit to urges that they have not yet acted on. The latter category are not (yet) criminals. Surely it is better to stop them from becoming so?

[GogoGobo]

icbineg I think paedophiles are intrinsically evil and are making a choice

[AvrilPoisson]

i am not sure that having prolonged sexual fantasies about anything is normal/healthy tbh.

I think one of the reasons people who have been abused also perpetrate abuse is not for revenge, power etc, but because their own personal and sexual development was arrested at the time of their abuse, meaning that they may find attraction to children because they see them as peers IYSWIM.

[GogoGobo]

Arghh really want to stay on this thread but toddler is having none of it. abra1d I just honestly cannot see how you can help those who have yet to act on their urges. Surely tougher deterrents have to be used? It makes me feel very uneasy the suggestion that paedophillia could be normalised via counselling/we know its not your fault approach. I just think we have to say, as a society "cope and control" or you will be ostracised

[CuntChops]

That's what we have been doing for years Gogo it's not working.

[pumpkinsweetie]

My life ryanboy jeezus, your post at the very start-Yes there should be a bloody stigma attached, after all what normal person has sexual desire for a child?!!!

Yes in answer to op, i also find it very disturbing that it comes to light there are so many paedophiles amongst actors that have had access to children throughout their lifes and makes me wonder greatly whether they went into that particular business to gain access to children & teens

[RunRabbit]

I agree with ryanboy.

The thing with pedophilia is that it's such an emotive subject most people cannot have a rational debate about it without it becoming an atmosphere of pitchforks at dawn. Case and point this thread.

[GogoGobo]

cuntchops we don't give 30 yrs mandatory to paedophiles so we do not have an effective deterrent. In fact there is a lovely chance that after viewing child porn and molesting or raping a child a judge will say 2 years because they got off on the details of the trial.

[RunRabbit]

Locking someone up does not cure them of a mental disorder

[GogoGobo]

runrabbit because some of us have differing views you doesn't make us idiots with pitchforks. It's a hugely emotive subject.

[discotequewreck]

Ryanboy's posts are utter bullshit.

Attraction to children, isn't a sexual preference. It is about power, control and a complete lack of empathy for minors and innocents.

Child abusers are quite often sociopathic and very dangerous individuals

[GogoGobo]

Is paedophillia a mental disorder or a deviant sexual urge?

[CuntChops]

Which is what started this thread, loads of judges are corrupt child abusers, or have a funny handshake that insists a certain lawyers client gets off regardless.

I don't think big sentences stop child abuse, there are massive sentences for murder in america, it does nothing.

[GogoGobo]

So if your DH came home tonight and said they fantasised about having sex with 6 year olds how many would say " I'm glad we've got that out in the open now let's see if we can get you some counselling "

[GogoGobo]

cuntchops I reckon the social profile of Uk paedophiles vs US murderers is very different. Judges, GPS, politicians, entertainers have masses to lose by a 30 yr sentence so it could be more of a deterrent

[pumpkinsweetie]

I think castration would cure them, and i don't mean medically either. If they don't have the equipment, they can't do the harm, that with the tablets aswell should stop them completely.

We should be past caring whether this a mental illness or not and start caring about the children that are affected and protecting them. After all they are the innocents in this.

[GogoGobo]

runrabbit??

[squeakytoy]

The only stigma that needs removing is for the victims, so that they dont feel ashamed to speak out.

[SamraLee]

But paedophillia doesn't mean you'll sexual abuse children though.

I think it all boils down to whether or not you believe a person with paedophillia is a person with a mental illness, sexual preference, or just a "bad person" for lack of a better word.

If someone has schizophrenia and they murder someone, do you think that prison time is appropriate for them? That person commited a horrible crime because of their mental illness. We should be attempting to cure them.

If someone is born heterosexual, homosexual, or a paedophile then they can't help who they are attracted to because it's the way their brain/genes/whatever works. They are born that way and they can't help it, just like a homosexual person who hides their feelings and dates a person of the opposite sex. The main difference being is it isn't
right for someone to have sexual relationship with someone who didn't/can't consent (like a child). So do we have support groups and talk about ways of coping, much like you would someone who has an incurable disease?

Or are they just horrible people and should be ignored until they act or try to act and then imprison them, kill them, get rid of them because well, they are horrible.

It's hard to say as it's viewed so negatively by society and I don't think there has been enough reasearch into it.