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To love Harriet Harmen....

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YellowTulips · 04/05/2013 01:22

Was her determination not to let a "certain historian" patronise the rest of the panel amazing? Also thought Victoria Coren was fab .

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ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm · 04/05/2013 21:04

Sirchen,

Not just going on this show. He seems......uncomfortable around women.

NOT A dig at his sexuality.

AuntieStella · 04/05/2013 21:04

His point was general: the question was about the appeal of UKIP, and he was pointing out that the Westminster Village was irrelevant and alien to the population at large, and those in it, especially those born into it, did not see how remote they had become. UKIP were not made up of cronies and insiders, and that was a strong plank in their appeal.

HumphreyCobbler · 04/05/2013 21:06

I just find her a bit meh. I don't hate her.

I thought David Starkey was rude but funny (I didn't see all of it). He is NOT a public schoolboy, I thought he made that point quite clearly.

I don't buy it that this thread indicates we are all women haters - politicians always get a tough deal on mumsnet. No one usually minds.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm · 04/05/2013 21:07

Auntie, and in that, he was 100% correct. Dimbleby did not relish someone pointing out that he was a member of a (BBC created) dynasty, at all, did he..... Smile

SirChenjin · 04/05/2013 21:10

Agree AuntieStella.

Politics has become an industry, open only to those with connections, the right background, and money sadly.

LadyBeagleEyes · 04/05/2013 21:12

If I came from such a fine dynasty as Dame Shirley I would be very proud.
It's not to do with being naice middle class sometimes, she was brought up with principles taught the hard way.

interestonly · 04/05/2013 21:20

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ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm · 04/05/2013 21:20

Ladybeagles,

while I admire Shirley Williams, it would seem difficult to associate any element of her gilded life with the phrase "the hard way"...

SirChenjin · 04/05/2013 21:22

Interestonly - they would be shot down in flames, never to return to politics. Makes you wonder why HH gets away with what she does Hmm

LadyBeagleEyes · 04/05/2013 21:34

I'm thinking of her mother Vera Brittain Thingsthat.
I read Testament of Youth and feel her experiences of WW1 must have been passed on to her daughter. So though Dame Shirley didn't have it hard, her mother certainly seems to have passed her liberalism and pacifism down to her daughter.

SirChenjin · 04/05/2013 21:48

I think that was true of very many of the women of her generation Lady - women who lost their fathers, brothers, sons and lovers in such an awful war.

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen · 04/05/2013 22:03

Seeing the roll-call of Harman-haters on here, I like her better than ever.

SirChenjin · 04/05/2013 22:07

Seeing that you like her better than ever, I detest her more than ever

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen · 04/05/2013 22:08

I am v impressed with yr originality and free-thinking. Well done Biscuit

SirChenjin · 04/05/2013 22:11

Why thank you Return. Have a Biscuit too.

pickledginger · 04/05/2013 22:20

A merry little band of anti-feminists seems to have popped up in the last few days.

I'll watch it on iplayer. Starkey being dismissive and patronising towards women and Harriet Harman being a hate figure for certain groups isn't new.

ExitPursuedByABear · 04/05/2013 22:23

And this thread is why I love mumsnet.

HollyBerryBush · 04/05/2013 22:41

Dear HH, like every other Bollinger Socialist; state comprehensive just not good enough for her children. One went to St Olaves and one to the London Oratory. That's what pisses me off most about her and Diane Abbott that we should put up with substandard comprehensives, but they can buy their way out of system they feel is appropriate for the peasants

I also dislike her dangerous driving convictions.

I also dislike her attitude to men, the war in Iraq, positive discrimination and so forth.

She's dangerous and damaging. Not to mention bigotted

Viviennemary · 04/05/2013 22:53

I hate the way she spouts forth her idealistic 'socialist' theories from her little narrow guilded cage of priviledge. Ghastly ghastly woman.

pickledginger · 04/05/2013 22:59

'Responsible for continuing to drive the break up of the family.'

??????

pickledginger · 04/05/2013 22:59

I don't think she's in a guild. That would promote nepotism.

LadyBeagleEyes · 04/05/2013 23:02

I honestly think that if she was a bloke there would not be so much hatred on this thread.

SirChenjin · 04/05/2013 23:06

Is that a hate figure for road safety campaigners, for the men "who bound to be an asset to family life or that the presence of fathers in families is necessarily a means to social cohesion", for those who want to know what MPs expenses are under FOI, for those who lost families and loved ones in the Iraq war, or for women who don't recognise her as someone who speaks for them or represents them in any way?

Or have I missed a certain group? Hmm

interestonly · 04/05/2013 23:21

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SirChenjin · 04/05/2013 23:25

Agree InterestOnly. Can you imagine the outcry if Gove, Cameron or one of the other Tory suits behaved the way she has over the years?