to finally be able to say there has been too much immigration

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Now that UKIP have made massive gains in local elections,conservatives stating that major changes need to be made and labour admit that they made a big mistake in having an almost open door policy can I finally say this in public without the hysterical accusations of being racist?

I find hettie's posts eminently easy to understand.

They are non-hysterical though, which I can see for some people would be a problem.

My friend's cousins arrived one Saturday a few years ago having travelled by bus from Poland. On the Sunday, rather than sleeping in as she had expected, they got up, got on the Internet and by Monday morning, had five possible jobs. On the Tuesday, she delivered them to the factory a couple of hours away, where they had been provided with a room. One of them was a qualified midwife who had left two children in the care of their grandmother.

That kind of dedication to building a life is why they will get on, not preferential treatment. My cousin left his wife and children here for a while to earn good money in Saudi. No one accused him of stealing anyone's job.

abra- sorry I was only directing the bit about households directly at you ... the rest of my post at 10.43 was a more general post about the discussion and not directed at you at all. Should have made that clearer.
But to pick up on your point, just because it's a government report doesn't make it good or unquestionable evidence.... Who wrote the report, why was it commissioned, what might have been their agenda (if any), are they transparent about what data they used and what analytic method they applied..... And even if it's methodologically sounds etc why does it matter that 40% of the increase in households can be attributed to migration.... I still don't see a good argument as to how that means there are less resource to go round? Because theoretically that 40% could all be higher rate tax payers.... I would have thought not but we don't know do we...
Oh and apologies for syntax but I am dyslexic...

I don't think you are a racist but you must realise that multiculturalism is the holy cow of the liberal intelligensia whose opinions are the only ones that count. It doesn't matter whether there is huge pressure on housing, whether there are not enough school places or whether the NHS is being pushed to the limit, immigration must be allowed to continue unhindered and the utopian dream of the liberals must not be allowed to fail, no matter how much damage it does to the majority. They know what is right for us and who are we to have our own opinions. We are merely pesky proles who should know our place!

That's nice.

Aaaaaaaaanyway ...

orwellian... sorry to be a bore, but the huge pressure on housing, not enough school places, and pressure on the nhs can/could be caused by any number of things not just immigration. You can have an opinion... that's fine but it's just that isn't it.... an opinion. And then (if you're a reflective type/or like to get involved in internet forum debates ) then someone/you might ask well why that opinion... Why do I assume immigration causes these things? And that's when I start to say.... mmme have you considered that this opinion might be based on a stereotype? Because it sure as hell isn't based on fact (and I mean really good non-hysterical/not with an agenda/transparent evidence based fact).

I am a fecking immigrant and I 'stole' one of your men

I think that if large numbers of Brits went to live abroad, ie there was a somewhat equal amount of people leaving, and coming,there wouldn't be so much of an issue.

I can't complain about immigration because mine & my sisters newest good friends are... immigrants! And they know how to enjoy life because they appreciate living here and don't moan the whole time!

The hospital in my area is overcrowded btw by old people who have 'immigrated' from other areas to retire, then got ill.

Just checked figures. 5.5 million Brits currently live overseas. Why are they never in the wrong?

Ah, but you can't be foreign if you're British. This applies wherever you are in the world.

Also, you're not an illegal immigrant if you fund your travels by working cash-in-hand in a bar in Australia. Or teach English in Turkey on a tourist visa.

I actually forget sometimes that my DP is an immigrant

and my babies are half immigrant

the fuckers, its a good job I pay a fucking shit load of tax

basically, it all boils down to tax IMO

one the biggest immi-haters I knows lives in a council house even thought they owe £50K plus, nuff said

one the biggest immi-haters I knows lives in a council house even thought they owe £50K plus, nuff said
in the nicest possible way, what on earth are you on about??!!

The government hasn't commissioned enough training jobs to allow all
UK dental graduates to work in the NHS. The irony being that these wonderful EU dentists don't have to do the training jobs. So why are we discriminating against UK graduates who actively want to work in the NHS?

Whenever I hear/see the Immigration Debate come up I wonder how the likes of Spain and Australia feel about the like of all us 'British Immigrants'.

I should imagine the likes of Spain are perfectly happy with all the retirees who have their own British pension, don't take any jobs and pay for private healthcare whilst helping keep local economies ticking over spending their baby boomer money in restaurantas etc.
Is that the kind of thing you meant?

I think immigration can be a good thing but only if:

• it happens at a moderate pace to allow our infrastructure to keep up

• we have only highly skilled individuals who put more into the economy than they take out

• immigrants integrate into indigenous communities rather than creating their own segregated sections of society

Sadly I think many, many voters don't feel this is the case at the moment which is why people whose families have lived and worked here for generations and ,in many cases, fought for this country, feel so let down right now by what they perceive to be this and the last Government's failure to ensure the above.

I couldn't think of anything worse than having Farage as PM but I hope this makes David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Milliband sit up and listen to what a lot of the electorate have been trying to tell them for YEARS!

Australia figures
The number of settlers arriving in Australia from more than 200 countries between July 2008 and June 2009 totalled 158,021. Most were born in New Zealand (16.2 per cent), the United Kingdom (13.6 per cent), India (10.9 per cent), China (10.0 per cent) and South Africa (4.6 per cent).[4]
Doesn't really compare to the couple of million of immigrants arriving in Britain .

Hark at all the people going on about immigrants 'refusing to integrate'. That's a two-way street, and always has been. There are plenty who would, if only the indigenous population hadn't moved out of their areas in order not to have to integrate with them.

It amazes me how the racism that was endemic in this country when mass immigration started in the 50s and 60s (and which largely shaped the immigrant experience and a lot of how the different races live today) is just glossed over now. Everyone needs to own their part in why we are where we are.

definitely too much immigration. And I wish Spain and Australia and Florida would stop taking lazy British refugees in

The reason the tories tolerate immigration is because it supplies cheap labour to businesses.

Years ago when there was plenty of work it was fine but good skilled people are losing their jobs now, and can't afford to take on the lower paid jobs where immigrants often have lower overheads because often they see themselves as being here temporarily.

Astounding that neither Labour or tories have used this issue to their advantage. Ukip has, and look where it's got them. The last thing we want is racists dealing with the immigration problem.

I also think that UKIP's election "success"is nothing more than the result of a protest vote to send DC the message that many people are fed up with being dictated to by the Eurocrats in Brussels and want out of the EU for many more reasons than just immigration.
Whether or not that would be in the UK's best interests or not, who knows?

I'm an immigrant. I took one of your men and one of your jobs. Given the amount of contacts I get from headhunters it seems I could have any number of British jobs if I wanted.

I really wish I could find some of those mythical Polish workers who undercut the British working class. You can't get a tradesman round my way for love nor money. If they deem to ring me back the best I get is "Not worth my while love".

slug I take it you're not in a NMW job if you're being headhunted? It's the indigenous working class who have lost out to mass immigration as always. Not your chattering / professional classes