Is there ANY proven correlation between school uniform and performance?

[Hullygully]

Any data (either way) anywhere?

That's not rude!

But your inability to understand that topic at hand is hardly germane.

I do however apologise if you felt it rude. It wasn't intentional.

Uniform is depressing.

Sorry but ime it doesnt wash well at all, white polo shirts are a bloody pita and i would never dress my children in white.

Ds4 has come home covered in paint this week, i have soaked the shirt, used stain remover etc it has not come out and will have to be binned. The navy tops they used to wear washed fine but white is a bloody stupid colour for children esp in reception etc.

H&m and m&s and the supermarkets all sell good quality clothing at better prices that washes and wears well. Tbh i dont mind paying more for clothes IF they last. I have four boys and so hand stuff down but can never hand down the new uniform as its crap, white polo shirts arent white after half a term.

I would quite happily support a uniform.that was more relaxed or just rules over style etc but i hate the monopoly that is the schoolwear centre and logo jumpers etc that are poor quality.

"Supporting authority just because it IS authority leads to some very dangerous places."

Crap... This is a school, not some totalitarian dictator. School rules encompass a lot of stuff that fails to meet the criteria of scientific study or strict logic. Does banning 'running in corridors' statistically save lives or just it just create a calmer atmosphere? Does banning smoking on the premises improve school performance? (Hey, millions of students get good grades and they smoke... )

Thank you.

I'm sorry if my inability to grasp the topic is irritating, that isn't intentional.

I don't remember being bothered by uniform when I was at school, and I find it useful with DS1. Perhaps I would feel differently if I didn't like the uniform or found it poor quality?

i went to a poor performing high school. attitude, aspirations and behaviour was poor and uniform had almost disapeared. new head came in and brought in a strict uniform code as well as other higher expectations and general behaviour did improve. school started to develope it's sense of community again etc.

They are rather silly examples, Cogito.

600 children running is far more likely to cause accidents.

Smoking causes lung cancer and heart disease.

Wearing one's own clothes...er,

But you knew that.

And why school and not university?

The "as well as" is rather telling, Begonia

I disagree with it being of any benefit to poorer families.

We're poor and I have to fork out hundreds a year on uniform (ds1 grows like a weed and rips clothes on a weekly basis)

I still have to buy normal clothes for afternoons and weekends so uniform costs are in addition to my normal clothing costs.

I hate it. It looks horrible, wears badly, is impossible to buy for half the year (ds1 had to wear tracksuit bottoms last week as he'd ripped every school pants he owned and there were none in the shops)

I'd be far happier without it tbh.

Oh I wasn't saying the results were due to the uniform, just that they wear uniform and the results are good. They are two different factors that I don't think are linked.

I wouldn't say super-selective hully, no. But the school as a whole supports the child in being proud of their achievements, learning happily and reaching their full potential. By the results tables the school's methods work, apparently. Who'd have thought, huh?

The uniform is not a measure of how good a school is. However, I do like to see the children looking smart in their uniforms.

Once again, Ali, it isn't cheap.

My son starts P1 in September. I've already spent almost £100 on a school coat, jumpers and polo shirts, which have to be purchased through the school. I have no idea how much trousers and shoes will be.

I don't don't spend that much on me in one go, FFS, and it has to be bought now for September. Can't even spread it out!

I think that in environments where individuals have poor self-discipline, uniform (and other highly visual and tangible signals of a higher authority) might be useful and productive.

In environments where individuals have high levels of self-discipline, it is pointless to impose a uniform and may even be counterproductive (stifling).

Cogito, smoking in a public building in the UK is illegal. It is illegal for most of the students in any school (except a 6th form college) to even own cigarettes. Running in a crowded place is dangerous, and inconsiderate.

These are not illogical, or unscientific rules for a school.

The two highest achieving schools in our area are notably, by miles, the scruffiest. They do wear uniform,nbut seem to take a pride in looking as if they have been dragged through several hedges. The 6 th formers seem are very casual indeed. The results are stellar.

Not sure whether this means anything.....

Are they J and S, seeker?

Sorry, x-post

No less valid for that sanity!

There is loads of research on how what we wear changes how we behave, it is easy enough to google. Anyone who has done psychology or sociology will tell you that there are numerous studies involving children and adults having a dress code and concentration/attitude. What we wear also changes how others perceive us/the environment and our reactions.

It can be very stressful to live up to high, externally imposed standards in everything, simultaneously. I can quite understand why DCs in high pressure, high performance schools need to "breathe" by not having to maintain high standards of dress.

How does Europe, USA and all universities manage then birds?

I know parents who actually choose their childs secondary school on the basis of their uniforms

Hate them, I have yet to be convinced by any argument that they add value to a childs education. (although Maryz might be onto something there )

My feeling is it is linked to the class obsession that we have in this country. Selective state schools started it by wanted to look like independent schools and now all state secondaries have followed.

I, dh and dd all went through school without uniforms, weve all done well, ALevels, uni etc... DSS is just starting 6th form and they want them to dress like mini business people, because as we all know everyone who goes to 6th form goes into business Its just blatent snobbery.

That is an interesting idea, dreams. You may be on to something there. Ape our "betters" and some of their gildedness will rub off..

exactly Hully the two ronnies class sketch always comes to mind!