I think UKIP are the middle and upper class division of the BNP.... suggesting compulsory abortion for unborn babies with Down Syndrome

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Or rather yet another of their candidates has made a stupid comment. They really are not all that good are they?

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Yet another reason not to vote for them.

....but of course "it doesn't represent party policy" according to a spokesman.

Here's a revolutionary idea for the "Spokesman".....why not kick him out if he doesn't represent you or your party?

Yes, he should be kicked out.

Disgusting.

The man needs educating.

wow. What a horrible man.

Compulsary abortion for all foetuses shown to have a disability. It's not a gigantic leap from that to killing people who are disabled after birth, is it?

That's always what I think is in someone's mind when they talk about killing unborn children with disabilities, anyway. That they think but daren't say that they think all people with disabilities should be killed. so they limit it to the unborn. But you just know what they really mean.

my two children have disabilities that can't be detected in utero and you do see the whole 'burden on society' thing.

This was in Dec last year. There was uproar about it (my son is disabled). He was suspended from the party and then lost his seat.

That reminds me of that awful woman (Jessica something?) who used to come on here and say similar things. She was even invited on to a radio talk show where she basically told Riven (former MN regular with severely disabled daughter) that her DD should have been killed at birth. She was expelled by the BNP - sounds like UKIP would welcome her with open arms.

Yuk how disgusting! Bleurgh! Ever more disgusting thet middle England seems to be jumping on the ukip bandwagon.

Thanks for the update Niklepic. I'm glad he lost his seat.

vile

I've always thought UKIP were the posher persons BNP too.

UKIP are full of lovely, moderate, rational people like this one.

I am glad to hear that, Nik.

do you mean that clare kaw or whatever her name was, exex?

...and this one...

Ah, yes, that was it, hecsy - not sure why I thought her name was Jessica.

The man is repugnant, but surely this already happens? Isn't the nuchal (sp?) test carried out to establish whether or not the foetus has Downs, and if so an abortion is offered? I'm sure the Dr offered me such a test when I was pregnant and I turned it down because I wanted DD no matter what.

The clue is in the word 'compulsory', Callisto. Offering parents the chance to find out is one thing; some decide to abort, some don't. But saying that all babies with Downs should die is very, very different.

Sorry, yes missed that bit.

I think that also was a well known Nazi policy if I am not mistaken. It was part of creating the Master Race.

Although something like 90% of foeutuses who are diagnosed with Down's Syndrome are aborted anyway, so much as I abhor this man and his views, it's actually a debate society needs to have.

what about the evidence supporting, that whilst younger mothers are actually the group of women most likely to have a child with ds, not the older women (who are more likely to have a child with a disability, not specifically or limited to ds); they are also the group of women who are more likely to obtain a false/positive result on the foetal downs syndrome screening. So while a mother may be told her child has ds, it may not. But better to not run the 'risk'....ridiculous. Women have raised children, irrespective of the challenges and difficulities of the child, and indeed themselves for centuries, if not thousands of years. What next? A cap on how many children a family can have? Mandatory abortion for ALL disabilities, irrespective of the ability science and kindness to allow these children a chance?

I'm really shocked by that statistic, Wilson, and saddened.

Ugh, digusting, what vile Nazi books has he been reading.

thegirlies younger women are only the group most likely to have a child with DS because they are not automatically screened for DS, in the way older women are.

callisto I should point out I am entirely pro-choice and most of the stats etc on this are published in anti-choice publications so I'm not linkying. And while I would never judge any woman for having a termination, it is on a societal level an extremely shocking and saddening statistic. We pretty much already have compulsory abortion for a specific group of women who are carrying children with a specific disability

However, I guess I'm probably hijacking so will bow out.