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To be a bit upset by our neighbour re our cat?

99 replies

Catonthemove · 22/04/2013 15:04

So, our elderly neighbours have always loved our cats, given them affection and company when we are at work and especially since our dc came on the scene. As far as we are aware, until recently, our remaining cat (one died recently) stayed in the garden, might have had a few cat biscuits or some ham, but basically came in at night and to eat.

Our neighbours are lovely, have been kind to our children and given them Christmas gifts and birthday cards.

Sadly, last year the gentleman of the couple died and his widow has been lonely since, despite having family who visit frequently and help, and neighbours who really do look out for each other, there's a huge unfillable hole in her life. We'd become aware that our dcat had started to go in and increasingly be fed there and turned a bit of a blind eye as both cat and neighbour were happy.
On Saturday, dh noticed a new collar on the cat and a magnetic key tag on it to open a cat flap. We assume our neighbour put it on. Initially, I felt okay, but now I kind of feel she should have at least asked first. If I were being really honest, I think our cat is being effectively adopted without asking us.
I am not sure what I'd say if our neighbour tried to formalise the arrangement. We've had her since a kitten, she's twelve and were all fond of her. On the other hand, she's not mad keen on the dc and I don't have as much time for her as I did Pre dc. Financially, we feed her and pay pet insurance and for jabs, flea treatment and worming - the insurance alone is £25 per month.
Aibu to be a bit narked? And what should I do about it whilst maintaining a supportive relationship?
Final and relevant point is dneighbours old cat was someone else's and "adopted" them.

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MammaTJ · 22/04/2013 20:02

Funny, WTF, that's what I was thinking about you. The cat was not shut out, the cat could come and go as it wanted, it chose to go in to neighbours, where it is more peaceful. Fine, now the neighbour has decided that she wants to keep it, she has given it an electronic tag on a collar to get in to her house. It is not legally her cat. The OP is wondering whether to confront that or make it official.

Did I miss something?

Debs75 · 22/04/2013 20:02

My ex neighbour stole my cat.Angry
We had a part feral kitten which was lovely but preferred to hunt and lived outside a lot. After DD1 was born she lay on her head so we made the decision to keep her out for the majority of the time. A couple of years later my neighbour started taking her inside her house. She changed her name, put a collar on her, which the cat ripped off and kept her in most of the time. TBH I didn't call her on it and one day the cat went missing and then the neighbour moved out. Her other neighbour told us she had took the cat and she was glad as it was always trying to get in her house for free food.

Cats will go for easy food but there is a difference between giving it a bit of fish one night to putting a collar on it so it can get in her house.

I would be quite mad, especially as you are paying cat insurance. What if the cat gets injured in her house can you claim on the insurance if it was the womans fault?

WTFisABooyhoo · 22/04/2013 20:37

Mammatj my posts were in response to op saying she disnt really have the money anymore for the cat insurance. Im nit sure why you are saying al that. It has no relevance to my point

NoWayPedro · 22/04/2013 21:00

Don't know anything about cats but having read your posts I can understand you being a bit miffed about the situation but you sound like a lovely neighbour. If it were me, I'd ask if she would like to adopt the cat given what's happened, insurance, building works etc. then consider rabbit/guinea pig or something for DC.

GL :)

ShellyBoobs · 22/04/2013 21:43

Whose flower beds is it shitting in?

MammaTJ · 22/04/2013 22:00

No WTF, what she is saying is she does not have money for insurance if the cat is living with someone else, ie an unnecessary expense. She could manage it if the cat were still considered hers by all parties.

MammaTJ · 22/04/2013 22:01

ShellyBoobs good point, probably the OPs in which case it is definitely not home any more.

bubbles1231 · 22/04/2013 22:08

OP, speak with your neighbour about it but please be sensitive. It is likely that this lady is lonely and missing her husband, despite having family visit her. It's possible the cat brightens her day.
I'm not saying that what she has done is right but it needs very careful handling. Perhaps you could go 50;50 on the insurance?

Heinz55 · 22/04/2013 22:14

Have you read the (childrens) book "This moose belongs to me" by Oliver Jeffers??? If not I suggest you (and many other cat owners) look it up.
Our dog did this - she was much better suited to the elderly neighbour (being elderly herself) and got much more attention from them so moved herself up there. We just made it official (but still took the dog to the vet when needed Confused)

WTFisABooyhoo · 22/04/2013 22:40

mammatj

you are missing my point.

she does have the money because she is currently paying it. saying she doesn't have the money for a cat that's not living there is rubbish because it would be the same amount of money regardless of where the cat lives. if the neighbour never adopted the cat the OP would still have to find the money every month or else end the policy (and i am guessing rehome the cat). the fact that the cat has moved out does not affect OP's income so if OP cant afford it then she wouldn't be able to afford the cat even if it was still living with her. that is my point.

ComposHat · 22/04/2013 23:43

I think that the cat has made her choice and there's not a lot you can do about it. Cats can be notoriously fickle like this. An older cat might prefer the restful environment of an older person's home rather than a family home with children left, right and centre.

Equally you shouldn't be paying for the insurance and vet bills if she is going to be his 'owner.' At the moment she gets the best of both worlds, all the fun of a pet with none of the responsibility. So you need to have a chat

If you think she'll take him on and you are prepared to let him go, 'I notice puss has been spending almost all of his time here and if you want to take him on, we are all happy with this. When she lived with us she was insured with xxxx and we went to yyyy vet's surgery. I'll cancel the insurance but do you want me to call the vet to get the name changed over?

GirlWiththeLionHeart · 23/04/2013 02:15

£25 a month? You're being ripped off! I pay £10 per cat pm on the AA

FlamingBell · 23/04/2013 06:56

One of our neighbours wanted to have our old cat (14 years) after a few weeks they'd put a new collar on him and gave him a new name.

Two months later mum knocked on their door asking if they had seen him as he had gone missing. We saw the neighbours turn white and the daughter ( 28 years) start crying. They had decided to put our cat down as at 14 he was old and wasn't going to live long anyway! The father was mortified as he had told the daughter to talk to my mum about it but she started screaming at him an my mum saying that after the months she thought he was suffering! (Our cat was healthy for an old Tom and his brother is alive today 2 years later).

If your seriously considering letting your neighbour have ownership of the cat talk to them to discuss it, it will help you decide whether you want to or not.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 23/04/2013 07:06

WTF

Odd point, I think.

She budgets for insurance on the cat because she owns it. If she doesn't own it then she shouldn't pay. Just as I wouldn't pay my friend's home insurance if I don't live in her house, or pay car insurance for a car I don't own, or buy shoes for a child who isn't mine etc etc.

I can see an argument for a 50/50 split, of the cat still come to visit her, but then there has to be clear agreement about things like who takes the cat to the vet, and who decides if the cat is to be treated and how, or put down.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 23/04/2013 07:07

If the cat still comes...

SoupDragon · 23/04/2013 07:47

saying she doesn't have the money for a cat that's not living there is rubbish because it would be the same amount of money regardless of where the cat lives.

Stop being disingenuous. She budgets for the insurance because the cat is her. If the cat is no longer hers she has no reason to scrimp elsewhere to pay the insurance.

bringbacksideburns · 23/04/2013 07:58

Walking around the back of the house the other day i see my elderly neighbour has put a bowl out on her doorstep and my cat is happilly tucking in!Kids had mentioned it before. My cat has always gone out in the day and comes in at night and is perfectly happy - she's getting on a bit and i don't pay insurance on her. Maybe i should but £25 a month is something i couldn't afford!

In your situation i would remove the collar and put a new one on with your details on it and hand it back saying something like you hope she doesn't mind but she needs her own collar from us and you know how much she loves your cat and appreciate her company.

Gingerdodger · 23/04/2013 08:01

Is it possible your elderly neighbour sees.putting the cat flap collar on as the equivalent of giving a neighbour a key to let themself in so she is not getting up and down doing it?

If your cat still comes home this could be a win win situation but I would talk to the lady about it or her niece if you think it's too upsetting for her.

WTFisABooyhoo · 23/04/2013 09:31

Again, nobody reading my entire post! I replied to OPs comment saying she didnt really have the money for the insurance. I am not saying OP should pay the insurance if she doesnt own the cat! Im saying she shouldnt just stop paying without agreeing with the neighbour that she will take over his care. However saying she cant afford a cat that doesnt live with her is silly because shes not incurring any further costs whilst he's away, her income hasnt changed so if she cant afford it fine but she should be honest then and say she cant afford her cat an should rehome him properly. The comparisons with house insurance etc arent the same as this was OPs pet for 12 years and is a living thing that suffers if no-one gets it treatment. I personally couldnt see one of my peta suffer just because j was teaching my neighbour a lesson so if neighbour refused to take on his care id either find the money or rehome him properly. Thats just me. Im not saying Op should pay for it but she should rehome him responsibly and not just 'let him go' to save herself some money.

WTFisABooyhoo · 23/04/2013 09:34

The insurance isnt paying for ownership of the cat, its paying for medical care for when he gets sick.

Molehillmountain · 23/04/2013 09:45

Aargh! The logic is crazy! Yes of course that's true, I know what insurance is but how many houses, cars, pets etc do you insure that aren't yours?!

WTFisABooyhoo · 23/04/2013 09:57

Read my post!!! I explained why the house/ car insurance isnt the same comparison.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 23/04/2013 18:12

Did OP ever say she was going to stop feeding the cat or offer it shelter or cancel premiums at once without discussing ownership with the neighbour first?

DrHolmes · 23/04/2013 18:58

WTF the OP said "You know though, £25 is a lot for us at the moment especially for a cat that wouldn't be ours really any more. "

Nowhere has the OP said she would just stop paying the insurance.
The OP means £25 is a lot, but it is really a hell of a lot if she isn't seeing her cat. She talked about transferring the insurance policy over to her neighbour so I don't know why you keep going on about it.

Maybe it's you who needs to read posts properly.

Catonthemove · 23/04/2013 19:48

Thanks all! Felt really cross when I saw our neighbour this morning and it made me realise I had to talk to someone about it so I rang her niece. It was a very good natured conversation that I think the niece was relieved to have. She was embarrassed about the collar. As we knew, our cat has had fleas and it was to do with that. Of course, what she didn't know because she hasn't asked is that we had bought a six month supply of the newer frontline style flea treatment.

Our cat has been sleeping overnight a lot of the time too, hence the collars magnetic thing.
I asked whether she thought her aunts wish was to take on the cat. And the response made me take a deep breath and listen to my better nature. She doesn't want to take on the cat because she is worried about re responsibility and cost. At that point I did tell the niece the costs we were incurring and she agreed that the right course of action would be for her to take on the costs. Her words were "she wants the best of both worlds doesn't she?" But it's a bit tricky really. My standpoint remains and again the niece agrees and thinks her aunts been very naughty, that you can't feed a cat, invite it to sleep in your house and then not accept responsibility for its complete care. But how wed broach that without damaging a relationship that's good and longstanding and about to be tested by building work, I'm not sure. Also, our cat hasn't just upped sticks and gone-she's been bribed! But this is a sad, grieving old lady and our car is very happy.
I did say that the one thing that was very frustrating is that if we let this continue, we'll see less and less of our cat and yet still be responsible for medical care, which means keeping a good eye out. Her niece said that she would let us know sooner rather than later and again acknowledged that we were going above the call if duty in agreeing to foot the bill for a cat we pretty much won't see from now.
She said she'd keep sowing the seeds of the taking on our cat properly and we agreed that at very least it would be nice if our neighbour assumed responsibilty for food and flea stuff in the near future.
I think I feel pretty good about how we've behaved. Thank you all for helping me through it. Tbh, wtf, I think you've misunderstood how I feel and have been rather unfair about how I feel about it. I'm effectively giving away our cat but still paying for her upkeep and I don't think it's unreasonable to feel a bit sore about it. Animals occupy a grey area between possessions and family members and I think you feel that I've been uncaring about it. Couldn't leave the thread without saying that-sorry. It's been a twenty four hours of heart searching and trying to work out how to balance my family's feelings towards and, sorry, rights over, our pet with our financial and moral responsibilty towards a dear animal and to a dear neighbour.
Thanks all!

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