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To think that gang psychoplogy is behind people who like Thatcher

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YohedYoshoulderYonisandYotoes · 16/04/2013 18:21

I have noticed that many people who 'like' Thatcher are really only people who are either a) trying to align themselves with the Tories with the mistaken and deluded belief that it will sorta make them richer and more socially accepted by the richer folk (the 'Rachel Haircut' idea), or b) people who like the idea of being in the gang that bullies the poor (in this I put people who instead of blaming employers for exploiting their staff so much that their staff would rather choose not to work, blame unions for making them have to walk a bit one day a year or some other small-minded petty inconvenience).

I can accept maybe a third circle that is overlapped by those two above of people who think that because she is middle class and was trying to sound like nasty poor-hating members of the middle and upper class, she is similar to them and so supporting Thatcher is a little like saying 'I'm alright' (and conversely feel that hating Thatcher is a little like hating the embarrassing bit about themselves), but I still think this is 'gang' type behaviour.

Its ironic for a leader who went on about the individual so much that she attacks pack rats.

Is that unreasonable?

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Bowlersarm · 16/04/2013 18:23


Rosesforrosie · 16/04/2013 18:24

Yes, and ridiculous.

Now jog on.

Sugarice · 16/04/2013 18:24

You lost me at Rachel's haircut. Confused

complexnumber · 16/04/2013 18:27


NorthernLurker · 16/04/2013 18:28

'People who like Thatcher' - is that like 'Women who love too much'?

Are you hoping to write a self help book? 'Overly dependent on deceased politicians of the 1980s? This book WILL change your life'

HoneyDragon · 16/04/2013 18:39

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YohedYoshoulderYonisandYotoes · 16/04/2013 18:50

Rachel's haircut - getting a Rachel (from 'Friends') haircut because you think that it makes you cute,successful rich and American.

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YohedYoshoulderYonisandYotoes · 16/04/2013 18:52

Anyway, no I am making a serious point about people thinking that if you align your thinking with/agree with exploitation by the wealthy, you think you are being self-interested, because you think that one day you will be rich and be able to take advantage of all the money being shoveled upwards, but in fact you are in one of the groups that will always be shafted - its a bit like liking the Hell's Angels because one day you hope that if you are in trouble you are going to be saved by a criminal gang.

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Bowlersarm · 16/04/2013 18:56

That's a lot if 'think' in there! I think you're over thinking it. Way too complicated thought process for the general public

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OpheliasWeepingWillow · 16/04/2013 19:00

Can I point out that Scargill didn't ballot the unions?

piprabbit · 16/04/2013 19:00

No, you aren't making a serious point, you have started a thread armed with a great big wooden spoon.

Gangs appear in all walks of life - you could equally say that the people downloading 'Ding dong, the witch is dead' are suffering from gang mentality.

YohedYoshoulderYonisandYotoes · 16/04/2013 19:03

Huh? That isn't addressing the point that's talking about something else!! I don't think scargill is on one end of an ethical see-saw and Thatcher on another! If he was I am sure he would get off quickly when she is up in the air to try to give her a compressed spine. Not sure where that gets us but its a long way from pondering Thatcher's gangster credentials.

Why are people being cross with me?

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YohedYoshoulderYonisandYotoes · 16/04/2013 19:04

I think you could say ding dong people are gang people if you like, but it seems more reactionary than the people who vote tory and like thatcher because it makes them feel more 'in' with the rich folk.

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thecatfromjapan · 16/04/2013 19:05

The gang thing is a new one on me, but did you know that the first part of your argument has also been advanced by Jaqueline Rose, in what was a seminal essay of the time?

I'll see if I can find it and link to it.

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 16/04/2013 19:06

Can I just ask, were you old enough to vote in 1979?

As she was voted in 3 times, so that's a lot of people to apply that theory to Confused

YohedYoshoulderYonisandYotoes · 16/04/2013 19:06

ooh I thought I was just being a bit silly! :)

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piprabbit · 16/04/2013 19:06

Do you have any actual evidence that anyone, anywhere has ever said they like Thatcher because it makes them feel part of a rich 'in' crowd?

CloudsAndTrees · 16/04/2013 19:06

Because YABU and there are other almost identical, equally ridiculous thread asking the same thing.

MissyMooandherBeaverofSteel · 16/04/2013 19:07

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Rosesforrosie · 16/04/2013 19:07

Because you have started a goading, and repetitive thread which puts the democratic majority (for three successive elections) into a box marked 'cunts, money grabbing, class jumping cunts'.

And you are refusing to see that that is ignorant, small minded, and quite offensive.

Oh and you are doing it on the eve of a dead woman's funeral. naice.

HoneyDragon · 16/04/2013 19:08

I liked Mrs Thatcher. She once did me an immense kindness.

I am a British manufacturer and pay living wage.

Do I pass the non exploitative Thatcher liking karma test? Confused

YohedYoshoulderYonisandYotoes · 16/04/2013 19:08

Oh yes, though I am sure that a lot of people voted in 1979 because they thought they would become richer - though in fact we can never get away from the fact that parties don't really get voted in because they are popular, they are most often voted in when everyone is sick of the old one because it needs people to either vote angrily for the other, or to stop voting for the encumbent.

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