To think Andrew Wakefield has blood on his hands for causing so much distrust over the MMR?

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That's it really. He's caused so much damage with his stupid little study. It was years ago, he was struck off, the study was discredited, but people still don't get the MMR because of it.

I'm assuming that all of these people who haven't vaccinated, don't let their children travel in cars, go swimming, cross the road? You do know the risk of being killed or hurt doing these activities is far far far far higher than any idiotic risk of vaccine damage.
Do you really thing that doctors are part of a big conspiracy?? to do what? hurt children? Really?

A relative of mine has autism, and her parents are adamant it was related.
the child, walked,talked,was toilet trained, within a few days of this everything stopped and completely regressed, and is now severely brain damaged and has more limited speech than a toddler .....within days...of having this vaccine.

I think people need to be less dismissive just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it hasn't.

anecdote and association DOES NOT equal evidence

Bloody hell Ruby.

Luckily most of my doctors have been sane. Yours sounds awful.

There's a graph on the Internet that shows autism cases have increased as sales of organic food have increased. Perhaps organic food causes autism?

I think that vaccinating children is very much counterintuitive to a lot of parents especially when there is a govt hard line about it and as Marriedinwhite said, the HVs know nothing, just the spiel.

I don't blame any parent for not vaccinating or for vaccinating. I blame the authorities who give out very little information and expect us all to toe the line. It just causes infighting.

My son is due his second jabs next week and I don't want him to have them but trying to get a reasoned explanation of why they are good vs why they are bad is like pulling teeth. NO ONE is available for comment.

How on earth are we meant to make the right decision in this climate?

Exactly giraffe Perhaps we need a FB page to "prove" it. We could get really angry and sure them.

That doesn't mean it doesn't have a bad affect on some people, my vaccines didn't cover me at all.

This opinion hasn't come from nowhere has it?

Nonsense there is tons of good info out there. You just need to want to get it. Or talk to your GP not the HV.

'Do you really thing that doctors are part of a big conspiracy?? to do what? hurt children? Really?'

No of course not. But I know that they have targets to meet and government guidelines to adhere to.

Plenty of professions question the government's 'meddling' in what they know to be the right course of action, doctors among them, so why on earth should we do what the doctors tell us the government wants us to do?

My XH's opinion is that my DP is a paedophile. Surely that opinion must come from somewhere? No?

No but macdoodle - it would be sensible not to just dismiss it really. Certainly the paediatrician who treated my friend's dc who ended up in HDU with post MMR seizure has said he thinks the resulting severe regression was quite probably related. That was a long time ago. I suppose these days an on the ball doctor might look into mitochondrial dysfunction given that sort of reaction. Although maybe not as I guess the dx would come later.

'Nonsense there is tons of good info out there. You just need to want to get it. Or talk to your GP not the HV.'

Where's the good, unbiased info? Point me at it please.

It's either vaccinesarepoison.com or justhavethevaccine.com and not a great deal in between.

My GP wasn't even aware of the listed side effects on the insert she handed me. Bollocks to 'talk to your GP'

Info doesn't mean a great deal, if you put anything into your body it has the potential to go wrong, its not hysteria its a fact.

I mean their could be loads of reasons about what happened to my relative, it could have been injected wrong, not refrigerated properly? all sorts.

But it was definitely something related, that level of brain damage in the space of a few days with no accident etc, nah...not possible.

there is a mid way
single vacs instead of the triple
we paid to go this route, wasn't £££

Hair tearing. In the fog of baby brain I forgot t to go to the appointment to give my son the second set of his baby vaccinations. That night he cried solidly for three hours for the first time ever.If I had taken him for his vaccination then I'd have blamed them.If he had gone on to develop autism, I would have blamed the jabs.

Correlation does not necessarily indicate causation.

Haven't read it all, but my 2pm

Measles is not an innocuous illness - read Roald Dahl's account of the death of his daughter for details
www.roalddahlfans.com/articles/meas.php

AW is the poster boy for how to practice bad science which is why he was struck of and scientifically discredited.

Not all those vaccinated have good responses - those declining vaccinations to render a region beneath the level afforded herd immunity are risking all our children, not just their own. Unf this is often touted as a reason not to vaccinate ('my friend's child had the vaccine and then got it really badly anyway - why bother') Dim/lacking in understanding response IMHO.

MMR is safe - legions and legions of data to demonstrate - go on ncbi medline and read the original papers if not convinced

Singles are/were not equivalent to the MMR and left children exposed for longer and AW had a significant financial interest in them - again, all data freely avaibable to anyone with an internet connection.

I've decided that my risks of viral infection in pregnancy were not mitigated adequately by the component vaccines available in the 70s so have had MMR *2 as an adult and feel much calmer about my risks now.

There is another epidemic ongoing just now claiming small babies - whooping cough. A similar outcry against the whooping cough vaccine in the 70s led to a widespread outbreak when I was a preschooler and a legion of 30/40 somethings with long term damage to their respiratory system as a result. Why does it appear to go in 30-odd year cycles? Is that how long it takes people to become complacent?

Dismissing broad associations isn't quite the same as not considering the possibility of a vaccine reaction when you have a child who reacted badly to a vaccination then go on to lose skills & regress - in many cases severely.

Anyway autism is autisms so perhaps more work is needed on identifying the different types.

Macdoodle that's disgusting to compare parents who feel they have genuine concerns about a jab, to random gossip from person about another.

Looking for something/someone/anything to blame does not make things better.

Er AW did not have a financial interest in single vaccinations. The vaccinations he recommended were the ones being produced by the usual Pharma companies.

His patent can be read online & was for a treatment for autistic enetrocolitis - the money would have gone to the Royal Free. It also had the potential to be used as a safer vaccination (what a bastard eh?) but the focus of the application was very much on it's use as a treatment. Deer Brian always had a copy of the patent application on his website. He's helpfully highlighted bits but it makes sense to read the whole thing.

They should however make single jabs cheaper, its disgusting no-one can say info/opinions are not biased.

blackcats no offence I'm sure that was hard, but this relative lost the ability to talk.use the toilet.lost the ability to walk, and is now horribly brain damaged not the same thing at all.

Please Macdoodle - the 'tons of good info' - where? I am desperate for it.

Perhaps I am not 'wanting to get it' enough

If Wakefield had subsequently said "oh, actually, I was wrong" then you would be being unreasonable- sometimes mistakes happen and research is overtaken by subsequent research. But as he is still proclaiming his innocence and making a living out of exploiting the heartbroken, guiltdridden and vulnerable, you are not being unreasonable at all. He is a ghastly, ghastly man.

Oh jeez not the 'looking for someone to blame' argument. It's so offensive. The people I know whose children were very poorly after MMR are not weeping wailing bitter types. They're getting on with their lives - often quite difficult lives. On the whole too busy battling social services to spend too much time eaten up with what got then there in the first place. Mainly it's made the decision about siblings difficult. That's all.