To think Andrew Wakefield has blood on his hands for causing so much distrust over the MMR?

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That's it really. He's caused so much damage with his stupid little study. It was years ago, he was struck off, the study was discredited, but people still don't get the MMR because of it.

Seeds nor fruit nor veg will cure my chronic autoimmune condition either. The drugs allow me to live my life.

"what exactly do you think will happen to your children if they are vaccinated for rubella?"

Obviously, some of us are having trouble with comprehending English in full sentences, so let's try another way:

1. Cote no like unnecessary vaccines.

1. Rubella vaccine unnecessary for boys >> hence DS unvaccinated

1. Rubella immunity unnecessary for babies & little girls >> hence DD unvaccinated still at age 7

1. Lifelong immunity from having rubella = GOOD. Waning immunity from a vaccine from 10 years ago = BAD >> hence hope DD has rubella, but test her in her teens, and vaccinate at that point.

I hope it is clear now, because there are not many more ways I can explain it all.

Coteazure:-

Complications from being exposed to rubella in the womb are:-
Deafness, cateracts, congenital defects and an increased risk of diabetes, thyroid problems in later life. Rubella can also cause miscarriage so hardly like a common cold.

Woman getting rubella in early pregnancy - very bad indeed.

Children can have Rubella and pass it onto a pregnant woman. Or do you live in total isolation from the rest of the world? Don't you care about the lady on the bus? An extremely selfish viewpoint.

Your post is a waste of pixels. Try reading at least some of the thread before posting next time.

"Waste of pixel"

Bloody hell.

I never got the whole MMR panic thing, if it was about giving several vaccines at once and this somehow overwhelming the immune system, then why not panic more about the vaccines given at 2/3/4 months, which contain vaccines against more than 3 diseases. My dd had a really bad reaction to the first lot, high temp and massive lump on her leg, no reaction at all to the mmr.

If it was about the mercury or adjuvants used in vaccines, why give 3 times the amount by giving the mmr separately?

I just don't get it, what is the risk specifically with the mmr? If you choose to forgo all vaccinations then fair enough, but just the mmr, why?

I'm not a pro vaccine person at any cost, decided not to have any more hepatitis ones after the first because I felt awful for ages afterwards, but I just don't see any "unique" properties of the mmr that would make it more risky than the earlier vaccinations .

If shevwas the waning immunity around after 10 yeatscwecwould have started seeing epidemics years ago andcwe would start seeng cases of CRS .This is not happening and as i pointed out above, less than 10% and it may be as low as 1% of suspect cases test positive for rubella in the lab.

Bloody hell what, seeker? Is it too much to ask?

Anyone who has read half a page from this thread before posting would know that we are all well aware of the fact that rubella is bad news for the fetus of a non-immune pregnant woman.

But not so aware that you are prepared to do anything about it.

Honestly nobody ever talks about the first vaccines, why? It boils my piss, maybe the daily mail need get right on that.

"If shevwas the waning immunity around after 10 yeatscwecwould have started seeing epidemics years ago andcwe would start seeng cases"

Read this:

Absence of cell-mediated immunity to rubella virus 5 years after rubella vaccination.

E. Rossier, P. H. Phipps, J. R. Polley, and T. Webb
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This article has been cited by other articles in PMC.
Abstract

The long-term effectiveness of rubella vaccination in childhood is particularly important because the ultimate goal of immunization is the prevention of infection during pregnancy. Of 25 healthy children tested 4 to 5 years after rubella vaccination, 19 showed no evidence of cell-mediated immunity (CM) to rubella virus despite the presence of hemagglutination-inhibition or complement-fixation antibodies or both. Twenty-two of 25 seropositive, naturally infected young adults showed evidence of CMI. These results indicate that fetuses of women who have been vaccinated against rubella may not be protected against damage by wild rubella infection during the pregnancy, when CMI is physiologically depressed.

ds1 caught rubella from a vaccinated child. He wasn't the only one = bad.

Ds1 didn't spread rubella to anyone = good.

OOOh I love shades of grey.

Please educate yourselves that even if you've had MMR a rash that starts behind the ears then spreads to the face and downwards might just = rubella.

More than one way to be socially responsible whodathunkit.

People don't talk about the first vaccinations because nobody is dumb enough to think the can take the risk with illnesses like diphtheria or polio- illnesses that nobody can pretend aren't killers. The MMR is OK to debate about because it's true that loads of people have those illnesses with no lasting effects. And, sadly, the MMR is given at a time when huge developmental changes are happening- so it's easy to think that there is cause and effect. Heartbreaking, but true.

I know lots of people who haven't given the first vaccinations. HTH

"nobody is dumb enough to think the can take the risk with illnesses like diphtheria or polio"

In other words, those are necessary vaccines.

I know lots of people who haven't given the first vaccinations. HTH"

They are just incredibly lucky that they are in such a tiny minority that they are safe. Ask them whether they would take their child into an area where there is still polio. I have asked this- I haven't yet had a strqigh answer. Oh, apart from the parents who think that their children are safe from anything- including, I kid you not, head lice- because they are not vaccinated.

There been no cases of polio in Europe for the last 25 years. If there was or Ds was travelling to a polio rife country that would be an entirely different matter.

I think most of the people I know have no opportunity to take their kids to polio infested areas because - durr - they have children who can't travel on planes very easily and certainly couldn't go to polio regions. So for them the polio vaccination is currently unnecessary. No doubt if they ever reach the happy place where they can take happy neurotypical holidays together to regions with polio they might consider getting the jab.

Some might want to give tetanus, but unfortunately you can't give it (or polio for that matter) without giving pertussis which doesn't look that great when you have a child who has had seizures.

Again where are the rubella epidemics. They don't exist anymore Many viruses are sImilar to rubella which is why many people think they have had it.
When i had rubella it was diagnosed because of swollen glands behind the ear
i hardly had a rash until a few days later. As i said at the time i caught it from mother as did my sisters. I was in my teens by then.

We had a small outbreak of rubella at dds school this year. The costs I referred to Cote, were not those of treating the illness which is mild in childhood. The costs to the state and it's citizens come in treating the consequences in non-immune pregnant women, both in financial and emotional terms.

"There been no cases of polio in Europe for the last 25 years." Guess why!

Ahhh, seeker no polio because of breast milk, seeds and smoothies. Also magic homeopathic water and aura reading.