To start a benefits "myth busting" thread so that I can link the thickos of Facebook to it

[MarmaladeTwatkins]

When they start moaning about how people on benefits can afford diamond shoes and other such items.

I'll start.

1. Housing benefit is mostly paid out to WORKING people. So all of this talk of going out and getting a job and buying their own home if they don't like the bedroom tax is a flawed argument.

Having a dog or even 72 dogs does not mean you qualify for additional benefits.

I am gob smacked at the amount of times I hear that apparently that's why people get dogs.

Ok, who put their money on 2hrs?

If maisie is a female as her user name suggests she proves that you dont have to be male to be a mysogynist.

Maisie, you said you thought this thread was aggressive in your first post. Those quotes were replies to that.

It's like, oh I don't know, you anticipated a negative reaction to your comments.

"Just because I dont agree with you doesnt make me wrong! In fact changes have just been introduced that says I am not the only one. This government was voted in by someone."

All governments are voted in by someone. I don't quite understand what you are saying? Because some people voted in this government, we aren't allowed to disagree with them? A percentage of the population don't speak for all the population.

Anyway, I see that you're a compassionate person, maisie. I hope that you don't ever become unemployed, disabledor elderly.

I can't stop laughing at

'Are you IDS maisie'

Being lumped in with the 'aggressive and rude' comments

We have as live one on this thread then.

We dont need a list of benefit myths as most things people think about benefits and benefit claimants are untrue.

We just need people to open their eyes to reality and stop putting benefit claimants down.

People on benefits get free water and free utilities

No they don't.

The fact is these changes are going through and the welfare system does need reform. And Labour left a message when leaving office saying ''there is no money left'.

Of course their needs to be changes, we cannot afford to carry on as we are.

Its not hatred and lack of compassion. And the person who says that UK is not tolerant. Try telling that to a colleague at work who collected her DH's body after he was killed in Iraq and a group of fantatics were allowed to demonstrate saying ALL troops should be killed....

We are one of the most tolerant countries around.

And of course if there are better countries within EU, well why are we all staying here....

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Maisie but you are wrong. I've explained to you why the social security bill has risen. It is not due to silly girls in Costa, or builders who don't want to work for you, it's due to a large number of people reaching retirement age.

Furthermore. These cuts are not going to bring the bill down, they are going to increase it. Housing benefit payments are going to rise because social tenants will have to move into more expensive private rentals. Unemployment is going to rise because people have less money to spend which will mean less money going into local economies which will lead to more people on the dole. This will also lead to lower tax receipts and higher government borrowing.

And that's before you add in the rising cost of social care because cuts in disability services and benefits mean disabled people can no longer live in their own homes and have to move into residential care.

I have never been unemployed, but why is that? Have I just been lucky? Why are some more lucky than others. My DH and DF voted Labour all their lives. Every election the red poster would go in the living room window. Both were not born in this country but both ended up doing 80 years employment. Were they lucky too...

And of course I will become old. Sadly I wont stay at this age forever.....

Perhaps you ought to go start that thread you would instantly have the company of several other quite stupid people who believe some of the things you do who forget that a conversation overheard in slough by two silly little girls who clearly have no idea about how the welfare system actually works is just that.

A conversation between silly girls who don't have a clue.

Rather than derailing this thread. Off you pop then dear

Just because you have explained something to someone on a thread doesnt make you right and them wrong!

I do agree that there is a group of people who will be pensioners when I am one, who havent worked for whatever reason who will also be expecting their pension. My DH's pension was given at 65. I am unlikely to see that much before I am 70.

There have always been disabled people. I have a cousin severely disabled from childhood. Why is it such as issue now.

The main and probably only benefit that needs to change immediately is the one where pensionsers living in hot countries get winter fuel allowance. Or pensioners who are rich and dont need it still get it.

"I have never been unemployed, but why is that? Have I just been lucky?"

Yes, you have just been lucky. So count your blessings and hope that it doesn't ever happen to you, because if it does I promise your opinion will change very, very quickly.

I remember people like Maisie in the 80s and 90s. They thought the social security system was too generous; then they lost their jobs and their homes and were astonished to discover the reality.

"Why is it such an issue now"

You're joking, right?

Oh Maisie, who has done a number on you? Is it the Daily Fail? Are you IDS? Do you believe all of those Thicko McThickington posts on Facebook telling you that the immigrants/unemployed are dragging the country to it's knees and laughing about it?

One of the most tolerant countries around? I imagine that Scandinavian countries would laugh in the face of being told that out of work people will be forced into free labour for big businesses.

And yeah, we can all ship off to Europe when we feel like it, can't we? What a ridiculous and downright stupid comment to make.

Where do you live that your colleague gets booed by the Muslims when collecting her dead DH's body AND you get to hear scheming, ne'er-do-wells in Costa coffee devising ways to get a bigger cahncil hahse? Where do you live? In one of Richard Littlejohn's wet dreams?

'And now there are many many families who arent working, who pick their partners unwisely. '

YES!!!! Instead of a bedroom tax, we should have a 'Shit Ex Boyfriend tax'.]Jesus I''d owe the country MILLIONS

Maisie- I assume you'd have no problem with POLISH builders coming round to build yr extension?

"Just because you have explained something to someone on a thread doesnt make you right and them wrong! "

But I am right. This isn't a matter of opinion! Pensions account for something like 60% of the whole budget - so more than everything else combined.

"There have always been disabled people. I have a cousin severely disabled from childhood. Why is it such as issue now."

Because it is now, after years of parents of disabled children clawing for the right to care for the children/get their children diagnosed etc, we are hauling these families back into the Victorian age. Honestly. It IS an issue. It just isn't an issue for you, so you don't/won't care.

Maisie let me ask u a question seeing as u think u know it all.

What changes would u make to the benefit system? How would u reduce the countries debt?

10 lies told about welfare by Ricky Tomlinson.

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/02/ten-lies-told-about-welfare

Just because I dont agree with you doesnt make me wrong! In fact changes have just been introduced that says I am not the only one. This government was voted in by someone.

The tories had 36.1% of the vote.

The eligible voter turnout was 65.1%

So only 23% of eligible voters voted for them. 77% of voters didn't.