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Are SAHMS discriminated against. Red magazine are doing an article about it.

999 replies

Darkesteyes · 25/03/2013 16:58

Just seen this on twitter.

Are stay at home mums discriminated against? Are you one and unhappy with benefits, or feel judged? Tell us.
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Kazooblue · 28/03/2013 22:45

Ihate me too.

I also worked all through uni and have actually only had 5 years my whole life out of work,I'm 45.

Believe me I have contributed and I still am.

janey68 · 28/03/2013 22:45

Ah kazoo, workers get annual leave in the 21st century yknow! Bet that makes you even more mad eh ? Grin

LittleChickpea · 28/03/2013 22:46

mirry. I may put a bill in for the time I spent looking after my niece and nephew.... Let's all send a bill in .......

scottishmummy · 28/03/2013 22:46

Raising your own dc isn't an occupation it's what parents do
Childcare profession highly regulated with externally imposed standards
Parenting is unregulated,done to own individual standard and not an occupation

janey68 · 28/03/2013 22:48

YY a wage for being a parent and running a home. That means us WOHP will get paid twice over!

ihategeorgeosborne · 28/03/2013 22:48

No one has answered me though regarding how if dh and I both worked and he earned say 40k and I earned 20, how we would be paying more into the pot than we do already. I'm curious.

iclaudius · 28/03/2013 22:49

hmm scottishmummy - if i countered your argument there i'd be slammed for it but i could - eloquently

LittleChickpea · 28/03/2013 22:49

HappyMumofOne you are so right.

maisiejoe123 · 28/03/2013 22:51

Kazoo - I think you also said earlier your DH was unwell. Is that a risk to his current role. Could you be actually forced to rethink?

Kazooblue · 28/03/2013 22:51

Ihate we had the same convo.

If we both went part time we'd be paying less tax(2x tax allowances,no 40%,no bonuses)and costing more in CB and childcare help so not sure how it would benefit the state.

And my dc would have been miserable.
Confused

scottishmummy · 28/03/2013 22:51

Do try explain how parenting,an unregulated activity compares with childcare which is v regulated

mirry2 · 28/03/2013 22:51

morethan- I don't need a lecture on the changes that have taken place over the last 20 years you know. I have been sahm, a job sharer, a flexible worker, a full time worker, a shift worker and a student so I'm pretty well uptodate on social change.

Kazooblue · 28/03/2013 22:52

Nope wasn't me,dp fit and well.

morethanpotatoprints · 28/03/2013 22:53

Just a thought here.

so the last few posts are wohps talking about why a sahp shouldn't be paid to be a sahp. Fair enough

So why on so many threads do you tell us we do get paid and it is you that are paying us?

Sorry but you're not too intelligent sounding for professionals

LittleChickpea · 28/03/2013 22:53

Its a fact that childcare and the raising of the next generation is deemed a low value occupation

It's not an occupation and that's fact not discrimination. It's a parental responsibility! Just thought I would reiterate.

LessMissAbs · 28/03/2013 22:54

On the basis that raising your own children as parents is relevant experience to mention in an interview, surely that means a period of unemployment is equally valid? The candidate could mention how they battled the tendency to procrastinate and filled in some application forms and posted them or emailed them off, thus showing motivation and skill.

I wonder if unemployed people are also discriminated against in the workplace. Or are SAHMS more "speshul".

ihategeorgeosborne · 28/03/2013 22:54

And still no one answers me, so I can only assume that the two of us working earning what we do now between us, would mean that we would be paying less into the pot. Great for our finances, not so great for the government or our children.

morethanpotatoprints · 28/03/2013 22:55

*mirry8

Only the first part of the post was to you.

The rest was general to anybody who was using the term housewife to describe a person who does not work.

LittleChickpea · 28/03/2013 22:56

morethan. sowhy on so many threads do you tell us we do get paid and it is you that are paying us

We need more context behind your question to comment..

stepawayfromthescreen · 28/03/2013 22:56

semantics, chickpea.
For what it's worth, (and I know most here probably wont give a shit)
I don't think most sahm's are 'bleating' (lovely word) about monetary reward for being at home with the kids.
I know I'm not.
It's not financial discrimination which bothers sahm's.
It's the idea, endlessly reinforced by comments such as Scottishmummy's reference to a housewife 'latte fund' and Janey's barbed reference to 'silver spooned' sahms, that it's somehow an easy, lazy option, chosen by women who have wealthy husband; women who have no clue about the real world, and have been somehow left behind by the shiny world of international business, where work is always edifying, enriching, pays megabucks, seals your future and is the path to all riches and all happiness.
That is not true.

ihategeorgeosborne · 28/03/2013 22:59

Don't bother stepaway, you won't get any where with this lot. I've gone round and round in circles for the last 3 days. When you put forward a valid point, no one gets back to you. They just like to re-enforce how bloody wonderful they are and what a crock of shit our lives must be, as useless, free loading, non-entities.

LittleChickpea · 28/03/2013 23:00

Semantis.. In what why. It's factual. It's not an occupation!

happynappies · 28/03/2013 23:01

George Osborne, people would feel better about it because you would be 'seen' to be contributing, forget the fact that the sums don't add up. My friend, lives in London, gave up her career as childcare costs would have all but wiped out her salary. Her dh earns good money. Her job has presumably been taken by someone else who needed employment. She raises their two dcs. What is discriminatory is that people don't think she contributes, don't think she is doing anything important etc. Economic argument doesn't stack up. This is really quite nasty...

morethanpotatoprints · 28/03/2013 23:02

stepaway.

Fantastic, sums it up quite nicely I think.

Littlechickpea.

Just what I said really. So many threads the wohps are saying they pay for a sahp to be able to sah if they receive tax credits. So this is saying that a sahp receives money.

Above sahp's are saying if a sahp receives money, they too will put in bills to be paid for parenting? I believe.

So which is it are we paid or not, coz i'd like to know Grin

janey68 · 28/03/2013 23:02

I fgs read the thread stepaway. My comment about silver spoons was NOT about SAHM. Someone commented that working is a fact of life for most people in order to pay the bills. It was also in the context of some SAHM talking about their previous careers and whether they found them interesting or boring. I commented that since almost very adult will need to work- including those who might become SAHM later, it's a good incentive to aim for an interesting career. I said the only adults who need never think about work are the small minority of incredibly privileged people.

It strikes me that some people might be imagining discrimination as they don't seem able to read the thread properly. And while on that subject I posted a succinct account of the process I go through when recruiting, and am still waiting to hear what aspect of is is discriminatory

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