Are SAHMS discriminated against. Red magazine are doing an article about it.

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Just seen this on twitter.

Are stay at home mums discriminated against? Are you one and unhappy with benefits, or feel judged? Tell us.
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Happynappies. Where to start..... The economy is not the be all and end all That comment says a lot!

Let's consider what's happening in the country and how this will impact employment and taxes that pay for those benefits.... We will use Spain, I like using Spain... Spanish unemployment is 25%, and for the youth it's 50%. The debt situation in Britain is far worse than it is in Spain. Our economic position is far worse than it is in Spain. Britain's debt equals 900% of the economy. In all recorded history no country has ever recovered from the position Britain is currently in, financially. This level of debt has never been reversed and it has inevitably resulted in financial collapse. Currently British unemployment is just under 8% but bearing in mind the debt/number of companies going into administration etc. it's only a matter of time before Britain starts seeing up to 30% unemployment. But it's ok after all the economy is not the be all and end all.. Who will pay for this benefits when people are out of work I wonder?

The deficit is now, we need people to contribute now. Not in 5/10 years. So yes, those that contribute to the economy should get more benefits to help them. If you choose to stay at home then fine but you don't need child care costs. I won't tire of saying this!

iclaudius -but surely you are a housewife(or housepartner) what's changed since the 1950s for people who look after children and the home fulltime?

littlechick - you talk great sense. If only people would listen!

The distribution of duties in a household for a start.

And Little those wealthy families on high wages don't need help either.

Helping families on incomes higher than 60k(the gov's definition of wealthy) is.a.waste.of.money.

Morethan- Personally I agree that it would be great to have such arrangements in place for a SAHP going on interview. I'm not sure how it would work in reality though. I suspect that if the govt funded childminders to do such 'ad hoc' placements, a lot of parents would complain that they couldn't leave their child with someone they don't know. And also, with childcare ratios , how would it work, because a cm couldn't just keep spaces free on the chance someone needs a place for the day. I wouldn't have a problem with govt money funding it though

I think scottishmummy is right. I have never needed childcare, but agree that pre school being education should be provided for all.

Please give over the housewifey stuff though. It makes you sound about 70. Do you secretly wish we were all little housewives sat at home, completely dominated by drudgery and domesticity? I think it makes you feel superior, that you don't do this, when in fact you must do a certain amount

Mirry what has changed?

Jesus the attitude towards sahp is shockingly awful.

True Maisie, our increase in earnings has brought us problems you just don't think about when on bones of arse. I have been at both ends, single, separated, married. The increase in income as a result o promotions nearly cost me my marriage, additional family.

I constantly question where I sit in this debate and in the feminist sphere too.

There needs to be a distinction between those deemed "stinking rich" and those who are above average earners but essentially in the middle of the road when it comes to earnings.

Families on 100k a year probably don't need help but I would say a family on 50k do.

Relating to domestics drudge.

I'm studying for a second degree.

Exactly GeorgeOsborne. Flexible working is key. How to help sahp to work? Flexible hours, term time working, compressed hours, part time... Then people can contribute, more jobs, more flexible and responsive work force, less time off for child-related necessities... Hope nobody says dh and I are lucky our employers offer flexible working. I work in a professional job, he works for a company that paid lip-service to flexible working. His company reluctantly agreed to let him trial compressed hours. Six years on they are now much better and offer flexible work to parents and non-parents... My employers said it wasn't possible to do my job part-time. There was no option for us, we provide the childcare, not nursery, so I took them to Employment Tribunal and won, and six years on can report it is more than possible to do my job part-time.

Painty well so do families on 50k with one salary particularly when you consider the extra tax they pay.

Kazoo CB should not be given to households (single or dual) with £60K income unless both parents are working and need additional financial support to top up child care costs.

I can sort of see what you mean George, however not everyone is capable of earning 50k and would move to those areas where those sorts of salaries reside. There are plenty of roles at 50k in London and people are being paid this and much more.

I would suggest the middle of Wales or the top of Scotland have much much less of them.

And as I mentioned before - for some families what you have as family income is something they can only dream about.

Goldenbear, surely the person at home does the bulk of the work there. The clue is in the name. Someone who works outside the home has only a few hours in the home. I thought your argument was that you were at home all day doing a valuable job while your partner was out at work all day.

mirry2.

Such a lot has changed since the 1950's, we have a life outside the home, hobbies, interests and freedom to do as we like, nobody telling us what we should be doing, especially not our partners. Bonus, modern man that has evolved since the 1950's is expected to share the responsibilities equally. It's heaven.

I agree Littlechick, which is why I don't understand why the government is so keen to have lots of rich dual earner households, to the detriment of much poorer unemployed house holds. Surely the ideal scenario would be to get as many households earning a livable salary, which ever way they do it, either as single or joint earners. This would get more off benefits. Surely just having wealthy 'housewives' working is just going to make those house holds richer still and the unemployed house holds much poorer. There is a finite number of jobs at the end of the day.

Feeling I'm toying with doing that to in order to get back into the workplace.Sadly I won't get help with childcare so probably not possible.

Sorry Kazoo can you elaborate (I am being a bit thick)

100k massive right? Take off tax and required childcare those are just the finial costs. It's NOT the high life believe me.

Fellin well,it's double what families on 50k get,you know,the ones losing CB.

Morethan what are you doing then if you aren't looking after your children and doing domestic chores? Don't answer that if you don't want to as it's none of my business but your comments leave you wide open to that line of questioning. (and I'm not including people studying for a degree or any other qualifications in this)

Flexible working is key. How to help sahp to work? Flexible hours, term time working, compressed hours, part time... Then people can contribute, more jobs, more flexible and responsive work force, less time off for child-related necessities..

Again, in the current economy businesses are running lean staffing models and can't afford to pay two people for a job one person can do.... In fact yes let's do that and see how many businesses survive? But then again why bother because the economy is not the be all and end all.

I am genuinely shocked at how out of touch some people are with what's happening in our country. I really am.

No one saying Housewives be compelled back to work and babies interned at mrs hannigans
Some housewives on thread are asking for govt recognition and arguing housewife same as work
Time out job market is calculated risk.unlikely to return Same level after 5+ yr out