Sub-letting of council accommodation. Why are so many mothers on welfare who still have active sexual relationships with the father of their child, are not living in the flat or house allocate for the

[SubLetFun]

I know of at least five relationships where this is happening.

The fathers are still, actively in the children?s lives, and there is no apparent relationship problem, but they are living apart.

The mothers live part or most of their lives at the parents? (council) houses and in some cases the fathers do as well, so that they can sublet their council houses. I have not reported them yet. Should I?

At the other extreme, and you are bringing up concern for others' welfare, and going off topic quite a bit. BabyP and VictoriaC issues went unnoticed
Sublettees (those who are living in the sublets are very vulnerable and the council can't see that they are living where they are)

This is becoming comical.

StormyBird they have council flats/houses allocated to them that are being sublet for cash in hand.

They have filled out forms telling the council that they will be living there. They are not.
They are claiming that the father has left, he has not.
Others have already said they get more benefits for doing so
They get cash in hand sublet cash.
Grandparents' houses (shh, council) have plenty of rooms for making it possible.

Not getting anything in a twist. You seem so keen to defend the fraudulent.

Well of course I know that SubLetFun...

I did mention it after all..

Ah, been out of UK too long really.

Yes, sublets are hilarious.

Yes, sublets are hilarious

Errm and your username is?............ SubLetFun

Yea, I get it now. Not only single mums, but "supposed" couples each living with their own parents.

Ah well, you can't get the kids out of the home nowadays

People have the right to make a choice to defraud the council and benefits dept. ?? Now it's called benefit/council fraudster bashing is it, because she is a single mum?

Where I live, if you subletted your council house that is allocated to you, you'd be turfed out and fined about 20K euros.

They should make that a law in UK too really....

Simple.

Plus, of course the income tax bill that would follow...

The council regularly have to visit - do they paint and refurbish if they are asked to? Is there an inspection that takes place? Genuine question.

See, one minute you are telling us you have a broad spectrum of friends (seemingly only possible in London and the South East) including people who live in council houses and the next minute you are asking this stupid question because you literally don't know the answer.

suburbophobe, there are laws in the UK to cover this sort of thing, thats why people keep telling the OP to report it.

I wonder if she has done yet.

I'm not defending fraud. You've described an awful lot of fraud, and I'm not at all bothered if you feel you should report it. I'm just pointing out that one of these examples of fraud is not actually fraud.

If these couples have illegally sublet their house, they are not living in it themselves. They are committing fraud if they claim housing benefit for it; they are committing fraud for not truthfully informing the relevant authorities about their housing situation when claiming other benefits. But by your own admission they are each living with their own parents, separately; that is to say, not together. They are committing fraud by being counted as distinct households rather than part of their parents', but they are not committing fraud when they say they're not (to use the DWP's own phrasing) "living together as though married". Because they're not living together.

Agree digerd! What about the fraudsters's feelings in all this?!

That is interesting suburbophobe. Is is a Nordic country?

I have reported it. I will be speaking to the MP. Posters are asking me questions and I am answering!

Yes, she could have done it in the time she has wasted on mumsnet and now the council offices will be closed.

Painting has never come up

I think suburbophobe has given a rather large hint about where she actually lives.

Painting has never come up

So these people are part of your diverse friendship group and they have never mentioned decorating - none of them. Yet you seem to know all about your friends' sex lives.

I don't know about their sex lives! I know that the fathers are actively involved, there are ongoing relationships with the pretence that they are single. I presume that there is some sex involved, pregnancy results! Not interested in the frequency/type of sex. Point is that they feel the need to lie on forms and say that they would like a flat, then sublet it and move the children about between two parental houses.

No, I am not friends with this group. I am told all this, every time I take a friend to see them for a couple of decades. Over that time, I have heard all about it and been introduced. Sorry to say it CecilyP, but they do love to brag about it all, getting one over on the taxpayer is half the fun for them. It's like verbal diarrhoea, they want to tell you all about it. Believe it or not, I have not thought about who is financing the upkeep of the council housing. I had thought it was them, but I had been told that they are helped with it, wanted to verification. Why do I want to get into a conversation about painting and decorating with them? I know that some people go into council flats and do it as voluntary work.

I have a couple of friends who lived on council estates when young, then got out. They are not the group I am talking about.

StormBird, your quotes are in bold.

If these couples have illegally sublet their house, they are not living in it themselves.

That's obvious by the word 'sublet'. They are receiving cash-in-hand for sublets intended for them.

They are committing fraud if they claim housing benefit for it

Yes they are.

They are committing fraud for not truthfully informing the relevant authorities about their housing situation when claiming other benefits.

Yes.

But by your own admission they are each living with their own parents, separately; that is to say, not together.

No, they spend time there and visit each other when not in the evenings, then go to the other council house (owned by other set of parents) when the other siblings are not using it in the same way.

They are committing fraud by being counted as distinct households rather than part of their parents'

Yes.

but they are not committing fraud when they say they're not (to use the DWP's own phrasing) "living together as though married". Because they're not living together.

The fathers are in their children's lives. They are there on a constant basis or if not visiting and then they shift to the other parents' homes. They are having meals together. They are watching programmes together.

How does the council define 'living together'?

Meant to say, StormyBrid, not StormBird!

It does not matter if the dads are in the children's lives its perfectly acceptable to be.

It is also ok to have sex and visit whom ever you wish no matter what benefits you claim.

It is also ok to stay at friends or family's houses for up to 3 months all in one go as long as you have an intention to return to your own home.

It is ok to spend your money on what ever you wish.

However it is not ok to sublet without consent

So report them for this but stick to that without going into all the ramblings and nonsense you have on here because if you don't nobody will pay any attention to your report as it will sound like your a busy body benefit bashing weirdo.

Also do your self a favour stop being friendly with people like this as you are doing you and them a disservice

Sockreturningpixise

It does not matter if the dads are in the children's lives its perfectly acceptable to be.

Why lie and claim that the father has left, then? As others have said, it seems there are added benefits to be gained from this.

It is also ok to have sex and visit whom ever you wish no matter what benefits you claim. Why lie then? They are living in their parents' council home and illegally subletting to other people for cash in hand. There is a long waiting list of people who could be using that home. They are allowing people to jump the waiting list. Is it good for children to carted about between homes with no fixed base?

It is also ok to stay at friends or family's houses for up to 3 months all in one go as long as you have an intention to return to your own home.

Oh, they have every intention of keeping hold of their 'home' as they are subletting it for cash in hand! This is way longer than 3 months.

It is ok to spend your money on what ever you wish.

What money are you talking about? I don't know what that is referring to exactly?

However it is not ok to sublet without consent

Yep. That is what they are doing

So report them for this but stick to that without going into all the ramblings and nonsense you have on here because if you don't nobody will pay any attention to your report as it will sound like your a busy body benefit bashing weirdo. Is that how you see it. Hmm. Others have said that you are defending the well organised fraudsters who have a good system going on with this.

Also do your self a favour stop being friendly with people like this as you are doing you and them a disservice It's interesting to hear. I didn't say that I am friendly with them, I told you it was their verbal diarrhoea! They're wasting valuable resources that hard working people willingly allow their taxes to contribute to in good faith.

People 're remarkably free with information about fraud they are committing.report for the bald fact of I
Subletting. Social housing is for those
most in needs. Not as a cash cow
For those who sublet.forget the rest of it

Pixie does have a point, OP. If you have names, addresses and reasonable evidence, report that. Don't waste your breath pontificating about benefit claimants, their sex lives or their holidays. It makes you sound more like someone with a personal axe to grind than a concerned citizen.