Sub-letting of council accommodation. Why are so many mothers on welfare who still have active sexual relationships with the father of their child, are not living in the flat or house allocate for the

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I know of at least five relationships where this is happening.

The fathers are still, actively in the children?s lives, and there is no apparent relationship problem, but they are living apart.

The mothers live part or most of their lives at the parents? (council) houses and in some cases the fathers do as well, so that they can sublet their council houses. I have not reported them yet. Should I?

Of course it isn't fraud to live in a council house, where did I ever say it was?!Not actively seeking work while living in one if you are fit and healthy for decades, however would be

Oh dear, are you one of those people that thinks only people on benefits live in/are eligable for social housing? WRONG

But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant eh.

Amberleaf - quite right that those poor after fighting in the war were helped with housing. The point is that they all fought, nobody stayed behind in the trench, they all went over the top. They were somewhat rewarded with housing when they were in need.

All the more reason for their male offspring to concentrate their minds on that fact when they have their feet up watching others go out to work and not subletting for cash in hand. How lucky they are that they are not living in slums, how can they repay the taxpayer? They could have a go at working and living a straight life.

I know of gggrandfathers who fought and did not get help with housing.
They managed to work and not sub-let throughout their lives. It must have been a struggle for them.

CicelyP, I get the impression that you are rich and not understanding the demands and struggle that the average hard working person has to endure

Some of whom live in social housing!

Wasted tax revenue on unproductive people is a shame for the country. Not ill, disabled, nursing, studying but just sitting and laughing. Some people with inherited wealth do the same with different pursuits. People are slogging hard to finance fraud via paid taxes, that is the difference

So this isn't about illegal subletting is it? Its just an attempt to set up a benefit bashing thread.

Yep, just another benefit bashing thread.

This is about subletting council accomodation and parents' council accomodation enabling that and the housing of up to three children. It is about lying on forms, making councils think that you will be living in accomodation and cash free money to be made from letting to others more vulnerable.

I don't think that only people on benefits live in social housing. Some people do work and live in it. I question why these people I am talking about are not at least taking up the offers of work and filling their time with fraud. They are able body and energetic enough for illegal subletting for cash in hand!

I have friends who have pulled themselves out of a council house environment. They work hard and have no desire to ever go back that. It's a very good motivator. They have achieved a lot.

No, sadly, I am not rich!

I am still wondering how you know so much about these families - 5 did you say - where you know that each couple has a council tenancy which they sublet, whilst each lives with their own parents - so making 15 households in total. You know details of their working lives or lack of, the grandparents babysitting and cooking activities, and yet living in a council house would be beneath your dignity, and you don't even seem to know that the majority of council tenants are in paid employment. It just doesn't add up.

This is about subletting council accomodation and parents' council accomodation enabling that

It is irrelevant what sort of housing their parents live in though, makes no difference if they rent privately or own, they are allowing their adult children to live with them [allegedly] how they are housed has no bearing on that.

You really don't know what you are talking about.

CecilyP, in London and the South East, it isn't difficult you have a broad spectrum of friends. Yes, if you read a few pages back I explained the situation. Many have backed me up and said that subletting for cash in hand is widespread.

Those living in the council accomodation seem happy enough and subletting cash in hand seems to be good for them. I do know some council tenants in paid employment, not the group I am to referring to, however.

The parents don't live privately.

They live in council houses with high market values. They barely work. Those in the houses that are now private, do.
Many would dream about being able to dodge work and live in a house of that worth. They are dodging work, as they refuse work they are given. Their chidren give them cash from the sublets to keep them babysitting, cooking, cleaning. One of them is pregnant again, the system is working well for them.

So it is ok to sublet fraudulently if parents are in private accommodation? The grandparents have enough energy to work in their 60s. Their lives have been set for them by their children, They will look after their children and grandchildren during the week as 24hr carers. They have the children because they have cheap, childcare for them. The state is paying for the adults who have barely worked, the children who have barely worked, never worked and housing three generations and financing fraudulent sublets. As I say, they do not want to work unless it is cash in hand and sporadic.

So it is ok to sublet fraudulently if parents are in private accommodation?

What like the policeman?

Nope as I said in my very first post on this thread, illegal subletting should be reported. whoever is doing it.

So the parents are pensioners? no requirement for them to work then if they are of pensionable age.

Amber you're the one who has been repeatedly talking about some policeman who let his property. None of them work or if they do hardly ever, they are all in council accommodation! You know that by now.

Some grandparents late 50s, some early 60s. Nothing these days. Retirement could be 30-40 yrs of baby sitting great grand children. The rooms in the council houses are available to be used for this purpose. The council regularly have to visit - do they paint and refurbish if they are asked to? Is there an inspection that takes place? Genuine question.

The council regularly have to visit

No they don't.

do they paint and refurbish if they are asked to? Is there an inspection that takes place? Genuine question

Ha ha, no they don't to both.

campaigns.dwp.gov.uk/campaigns/benefit-thieves/benefit-theft.asp

let these people know.

So how far can the house deteroriate before someone steps in?

Someone can live in a council house for decades and let it go?

Bad wiring is the responsibility of the council or the person living in the council's house?

None of them work or if they do hardly ever, they are all in council accommodation!

You do realise that your sentence construction implies that none of them work because they're in council houses? Froth about people on benefits if you must, but at least try and get a little bit of logic in there, it'd make you seem a lot more credible.

Thanks aquashiv, I doubt they care or have the people out there to check it out but shall do so re: the subletting.

Oh dear, another single mum bashing thread....

I've known loads of mothers who did this,

Is that Godwins law now suburbophobe!

StormyBird, you've taken it out of context.

Amber you're the one who has been repeatedly talking about some policeman who let his property. None of them work or if they do hardly ever, they are all in council accommodation! You know that by now.

That was the full context in relation to the lack of work despite offers of it.

So how far can the house deteroriate before someone steps in?

why would it?

Someone can live in a council house for decades and let it go?

why would they, they live there?

Bad wiring is the responsibility of the council or the person living in the council's house?

That would be down to the landlord be it a private one or a social housing one as they own the property and are responsible for things like that.

suburbphone, they are not single mothers! Do read it properly! Anything but, that is part of it. Well organised subletting of council flats for cash in hand. Father goes back to parents, she goes back to hers. They go between.

The Anne Frank comparison is an awful comparison, suburbphone, if you ever said that to a Jewish person they would really put it into perspective for you.

We've been over this part before. If each is living with their own parents, they are not living together, and thus are classed as single for benefit purposes. That is not fraud, nor is it immoral, nor is it anything to get your knickers in a twist over.